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	<title>Comments on: Santa Ana used affordable housing grants to relocate families &#8211; now a developer will reap the profits!</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 - the voters of  Santa Ana placed it on the ballot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 &#8211; the voters of  Santa Ana placed it on the ballot!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22 are you ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22 are you ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Lisann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17 Advocate, The fiscalization of land use is a reality. Cities either grow or die and you cannot allow properties to simply deteriorate or sit idle and not contribute to the general welfare through ‘best uses’ and maximized property values.

This is very unfair to people that have worked and bought properties, the cost of living goes up, COLA&#039;s do not increase enough. Many of these people are just getting by. If the city were to decide to redevelop Floral Park Just think of the tax increases that could be had in the area. Especially Pulido&#039;s house that is an eyesore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17 Advocate, The fiscalization of land use is a reality. Cities either grow or die and you cannot allow properties to simply deteriorate or sit idle and not contribute to the general welfare through ‘best uses’ and maximized property values.</p>
<p>This is very unfair to people that have worked and bought properties, the cost of living goes up, COLA&#8217;s do not increase enough. Many of these people are just getting by. If the city were to decide to redevelop Floral Park Just think of the tax increases that could be had in the area. Especially Pulido&#8217;s house that is an eyesore.</p>
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		<title>By: stanislav fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanislav fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Red Fox, I am glad to help sink other blogs.
 
However, I wish that your boss would understand that a profanity is the ultimate satire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Red Fox, I am glad to help sink other blogs.</p>
<p>However, I wish that your boss would understand that a profanity is the ultimate satire.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for accepting my apology, Stan.  That&#039;s very big of you.

I am not sure why your posts land in the spam filter in the first place?   

And - - I don&#039;t want you to take this the wrong way - - but you&#039;ve really added a lot of good things to the discussions lately.  There has been a shift in your contributions and I am enjoying what you post lately.  just wanted to let u know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for accepting my apology, Stan.  That&#8217;s very big of you.</p>
<p>I am not sure why your posts land in the spam filter in the first place?   </p>
<p>And &#8211; - I don&#8217;t want you to take this the wrong way &#8211; - but you&#8217;ve really added a lot of good things to the discussions lately.  There has been a shift in your contributions and I am enjoying what you post lately.  just wanted to let u know.</p>
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		<title>By: stanislav fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanislav fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Red Fox but I do not keep copies.
However, your explanation is well taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Red Fox but I do not keep copies.<br />
However, your explanation is well taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan,
Re #23

I think I may have deleted it by accident.  We had a lot of spam in the filter earlier today  and I hit delete.. and right before it all was eliminated, I thought I saw a post by you.   If not too much trouble, could you please repost?

I am sorry about that.  really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan,<br />
Re #23</p>
<p>I think I may have deleted it by accident.  We had a lot of spam in the filter earlier today  and I hit delete.. and right before it all was eliminated, I thought I saw a post by you.   If not too much trouble, could you please repost?</p>
<p>I am sorry about that.  really.</p>
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		<title>By: stanislav fiala</title>
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		<dc:creator>stanislav fiala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Pedroza you have again skipped my post where I have cited the history. 

Are you trying to rewrite it?

The fact is that same people who wrote the declaration of independence did not believe that blacks are human. 

Like it or not!

Your denial of it is same as denial of the Jewish holocaust.

For you only you coward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Pedroza you have again skipped my post where I have cited the history. </p>
<p>Are you trying to rewrite it?</p>
<p>The fact is that same people who wrote the declaration of independence did not believe that blacks are human. </p>
<p>Like it or not!</p>
<p>Your denial of it is same as denial of the Jewish holocaust.</p>
<p>For you only you coward</p>
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		<title>By: (No Longer) First Time Poster</title>
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		<dc:creator>(No Longer) First Time Poster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3 (sorry to backtrack so far but this is the first I have been on since I posted).  I am quite familiar with the entire situation and the entitlements, referndum, and the subsequent vote.  Let&#039;s not forget that the ANTI OBP people put this on the ballot.  They clearly were &quot;oranized&quot; and funded.  So, to suggest that people were duped into voting to approve the project doesn&#039;t carry much weight.  Besides, we don&#039;t require an IQ test for voting (and for good reason).  If people are duped into voting for soemthing (i.e., &quot;stupid&quot;) then that is a part of the process.  

As Franklin said - &quot;Democracy is the worst form of government except all others.&quot;  I think truer words were never spoken with respect to ballot box planning.  And remember that the ANTI OBP folks were the ones that pursued the ballot box planning in this instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3 (sorry to backtrack so far but this is the first I have been on since I posted).  I am quite familiar with the entire situation and the entitlements, referndum, and the subsequent vote.  Let&#8217;s not forget that the ANTI OBP people put this on the ballot.  They clearly were &#8220;oranized&#8221; and funded.  So, to suggest that people were duped into voting to approve the project doesn&#8217;t carry much weight.  Besides, we don&#8217;t require an IQ test for voting (and for good reason).  If people are duped into voting for soemthing (i.e., &#8220;stupid&#8221;) then that is a part of the process.  </p>
<p>As Franklin said &#8211; &#8220;Democracy is the worst form of government except all others.&#8221;  I think truer words were never spoken with respect to ballot box planning.  And remember that the ANTI OBP folks were the ones that pursued the ballot box planning in this instance.</p>
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		<title>By: art lomeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>art lomeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonster,

My suggestion to council is that they collectively tell the Mayor and city manager to produce a plan consistant with economic development for all it&#039;s residents which they would support and follow through.

This would then be a Mayor/city manager project. to bring the city in line with it&#039;s neighbor cities.

Success or failure can then be placed on them with the correponding consequences.

Now business is as usual with added fuel of an all Hispanic council accussed of being corrupt.

Strategy is to continue with third world management by the power  responsible for the last 20 years while placing blame of blight to the all Hispanic council which has no control. 

A few elections back the Mayor supported a anglo council candidate saying publically that this was becase he believes a all Hispanic council would be corrupt.

The mayor and city manager supporters are now cirlulating this message to satge future election strategy against Hispanic council/ Mayor campaigns.

This Hispanic council and future Hispanic candidates need to head them off at the pass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonster,</p>
<p>My suggestion to council is that they collectively tell the Mayor and city manager to produce a plan consistant with economic development for all it&#8217;s residents which they would support and follow through.</p>
<p>This would then be a Mayor/city manager project. to bring the city in line with it&#8217;s neighbor cities.</p>
<p>Success or failure can then be placed on them with the correponding consequences.</p>
<p>Now business is as usual with added fuel of an all Hispanic council accussed of being corrupt.</p>
<p>Strategy is to continue with third world management by the power  responsible for the last 20 years while placing blame of blight to the all Hispanic council which has no control. </p>
<p>A few elections back the Mayor supported a anglo council candidate saying publically that this was becase he believes a all Hispanic council would be corrupt.</p>
<p>The mayor and city manager supporters are now cirlulating this message to satge future election strategy against Hispanic council/ Mayor campaigns.</p>
<p>This Hispanic council and future Hispanic candidates need to head them off at the pass.</p>
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		<title>By: anonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This city makes me sick. They&#039;re cutting parks and recreation staff and budgets, but can find money for a developer to do a &quot;study&quot;.
They don&#039;t NEED a study, they NEED a REALITY CHECK, right now you can BUY an EXISTING PROPERTY CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN BUILD A NEW ONE! According to Trulia, there are 2,300 houses for sale in SA, 1,800 of them in some stage of foreclosure. This project missed the  real estate boom and should be put on hold.

If the city wants to increase revenue it would be better off finishing the Bristol Street project, because NO BUSINESS PERSON in their right mind would come to SA after driving down Bristol. It looks like it belongs in a bombed out third world country, not the MAIN ARTERY of OC&#039;s largest city. Why can&#039;t they use redevelopment funds to FINISH  the Bristol St. corridor? How long is this project going to take? I think it&#039;s been 10 years and it&#039;s NOWHERE NEAR DONE!

The people of this city SHOULD be up-in-arms over their Mayor/City Council trying to fund PIE-IN-THE-SKY gentrification projects while CUTTING SERVICES for EXISTING residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This city makes me sick. They&#8217;re cutting parks and recreation staff and budgets, but can find money for a developer to do a &#8220;study&#8221;.<br />
They don&#8217;t NEED a study, they NEED a REALITY CHECK, right now you can BUY an EXISTING PROPERTY CHEAPER THAN YOU CAN BUILD A NEW ONE! According to Trulia, there are 2,300 houses for sale in SA, 1,800 of them in some stage of foreclosure. This project missed the  real estate boom and should be put on hold.</p>
<p>If the city wants to increase revenue it would be better off finishing the Bristol Street project, because NO BUSINESS PERSON in their right mind would come to SA after driving down Bristol. It looks like it belongs in a bombed out third world country, not the MAIN ARTERY of OC&#8217;s largest city. Why can&#8217;t they use redevelopment funds to FINISH  the Bristol St. corridor? How long is this project going to take? I think it&#8217;s been 10 years and it&#8217;s NOWHERE NEAR DONE!</p>
<p>The people of this city SHOULD be up-in-arms over their Mayor/City Council trying to fund PIE-IN-THE-SKY gentrification projects while CUTTING SERVICES for EXISTING residents.</p>
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		<title>By: art lomeli</title>
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		<dc:creator>art lomeli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Advocate,

The area in question is not blighted economically.

It is blighted in appearance. Neglected in maintenance on purpose so to claim blight and so qualify for state and federal grants to correct the blight. Money which never reaches neighborhoods like this one. 

The Downtown area which the area of discussion is produces sales tax for the city just below the sales tax revenue the Main Place Mall does.

Very productive hardly blighted. In Appearance yes, neglected on purpose because it is  90% Hispanic. This fact is used for economic and political manipulation by the leadership in control for the last 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advocate,</p>
<p>The area in question is not blighted economically.</p>
<p>It is blighted in appearance. Neglected in maintenance on purpose so to claim blight and so qualify for state and federal grants to correct the blight. Money which never reaches neighborhoods like this one. </p>
<p>The Downtown area which the area of discussion is produces sales tax for the city just below the sales tax revenue the Main Place Mall does.</p>
<p>Very productive hardly blighted. In Appearance yes, neglected on purpose because it is  90% Hispanic. This fact is used for economic and political manipulation by the leadership in control for the last 20 years.</p>
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