Foreign journalists are picking up on a term coined here on the Juice. BHO’s.
Posted By: Toby Harnden at Jun 3, 2009 at 04:14:00 [General]
Posted in: Foreign Correspondents
It is important to note that “if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world”. So says President Barack Obama. Or I should say: Barack Hussein Obama.
That’s right: Barack Hussein Obama. Say it proud. Say it out loud. The middle moniker that dared not speak its name during the election campaign is now front and centre of the US president’s attempt to woo the Muslim world, the theme of his visits to Riyadh on Wednesday and Cairo on Thursday.
Now, most of this piece is about how Obama is reaching out to the Muslim world. That’s good. Get them to the negotiation table. Fine. Talk about something other than issues that would mean the end of the state of Israel. Great. But this nonsense about being one of the largest Muslim countries… I mean, Muslims love this country because we are so open minded and democratic. They are some of our most ardent America lovers… and Republicans, as it happens. But there are only about 2.8 million Muslims in America. What the President said is just absolute hyperbole. And quite perplexing. What would make him fabricate something like that?
What does he stand to gain? Meanwhile, Hugo Chavez is afraid he’s more conservative than “Comrade Obama” Plus! 532,000 jobs lost in May and 16,000 everday since the “stimulus” bill. But the economy is coming back…
*authors note: the posts to this article have little to do with anyone responding to the statement by Obama. So far, they are all about the “racism” of this writer (funny), or his political leanings (funnier), and not one statement about the outrageousness of the statement. Insert Christian into the statement. Put another face to the President. You have apologists, america-bashers, and racists hiding behind their bitter vile here. Read on with care!
– the rest of the piece is from the previously quoted article
Petrified of the potential political fallout of being branded a Muslim, Candidate Obama – a practicing Christian – never used the name “Hussein” and its use was frowned upon as a forbidden code for the nutty accusation that he was some kind of Islamic Manchurian candidate.
No more. To say Barack Hussein Obama – BHO for short – now appears to be the height of political correctness.
As I argue in this analysis for the Telegraph dead tree edition, Obama is seeking to return to a Middle East policy based on realism – buttressed by the bona fides of his own multi-cultural (including Muslim) background.
In Strasbourg two months ago, the president tried out his full name. Days later in Ankara, he was introduced to the Turkish parliament by his full name.
As ABC’s Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller astutely outline here, the Obama administration is embracing the new president’s inner Muslim, as it were. Deputy national security adviser stated that Obama had “experienced Islam on three continents…growing up in Indonesia, having a Muslim father — obviously Muslim Americans [are] a key part of Illinois and Chicago”.
So that’s once, twice, three times a Muslim?
Just in case the Arab world hasn’t yet got this message of inbuilt tolerance, Mr Obama himself has gone a step further. In an interview with France’s Canal Plus released on Tuesday evening, he suggested that the United States might be a Muslim country.
Obama said he wanted to “create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what’s happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians”.
So far, so blah – President George W. Bush often expressed much the same sentiments.
But then, as is his habit , Obama turned the concept around. “Now, the flip side is I think that the United States and the West generally, we have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam.
“And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. And so there’s got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.”
Obama said in Turkey that Americans “do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation”. John McCain was criticised in 2007 for saying the US was “a Christian nation”, later amending this to “a Judeo-Christian valued nation”.
Of course, the concept of separation of church and state, which derived from the First Amendment to the Constitution, means that the US is not officially a Christian nation or a nation of any other particular religion. Which means, I suppose, that the US is as much a Muslim nation as a Christian one.
It’s a bold – some might say audacious – turnaround by the president.
It’s also a classically Obamaesque move.
During the 2008 campaign, he skillfully made himself, through his life story, the personification of change.
Now, implicitly contrasting himself with the born-again, evangelical Bush who pursued a post-9/11 “crusade” against terrorism, Obama is presenting himself to the Islamic world as the personification of a new, tolerant – and, yes, partly Muslim – America.
UPDATE: The excellent Don Surber crunches the numbers and points out that Obama’s claim is highly dubious. According to Surber, the US has an estimated three to eight million Muslims, less than one per cent of the world’s total and less than at least 23 other countries.
The average claim for the US Muslim population is about six million. The precise figure is difficult to get because it’s not included in US census data and many put the figure at much, much less.
But even if we assume there are six million Muslims in the US, that makes it only the 34th biggest Muslim country in the world – behind Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Turkey, Egypt, Iran, Nigeria, China, Ethiopia, Algeria, Morocco, Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, Yemen, Tanzania, Syria, Malaysia, Niger, Senegal, Ghana, Tunisia, Somalia, Guinea, Kenya, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Burkina Faso and Tajikistan.
what a great photo . its a little payback from all those with g.w on it . im sure anoster , and vixon are screaming or calling you a racist hater by now .
Terry,
Remember your statement:
“They are unqualified to do anything in real life, except judge things from the prism of color, race or gender, basically unamerican”.
You ARE this!!!!!!
what does that photo have to do with color, race or gender. you are off the deep end lomeli. have someone replace your humorous. you had it removed along with your spine.
Obama said something stupid, easily verified, and what his audience probably knew was wrong too. I am mocking that stupidity. That Obama-ism – I will hang it around his neck. Did it GW too.
Terry,
The photo is cool. The Muslim culture is rich and large. Many Muslims are Republican too.
Do you you have a problem with Muslims and there being Muslims in this world?
There are terrorists in the Muslim world as there are domestic Right Wing Republican religous terrorists.
“have someone replace your humorous. you had it removed along with your spine”. This infers you have a spine and I don’t based on your beliefs.
Do you associate being a bigot fool with possessing a spine?
“YOUR POSTS ARE NOT BASED ON HUMOR”
I believe Obama’s point was that there are many predominately Muslim nations which have FEWER Muslims than the U.S. A fact which scares bin Laden because he knows that’s a lot of people who prefer Obama’s message of hope to al Qaeda’s message of destruction. Bin Laden is worried that Muslims in the rest of the world will listen to Obama and agree.
From NationMaster, which uses CIA Factbook statistics:
# 41 United States: 4,140,277 1.4%
# 42 Kyrgyzstan: 4,117,024 80%
# 45 Sierra Leone: 3,610,585 60%
# 49 West Bank: 3,159,999 84%
# 50 Mauritania: 3,083,772 99.9%
# 52 Oman: 2,971,567 99%
# 53 Lebanon: 2,678,212 70%
# 54 Albania: 2,494,178 70%
# 57 Eritrea: 2,280,799 50%
# 59 Kuwait: 1,985,300 85%
# 60 United Arab Emirates: 1,948,041 76%
# 65 Gambia, The: 1,433,930 90%
# 74 Qatar: 819,898 95%
# 80 Comoros: 664,534 99%
# 85 Bahrain: 585,093 85%
# 89 Djibouti: 471,935 99%
# 95 Maldives: 348,756 99.9%
# 99 Western Sahara: 272,461 99.8%
# 101 Brunei: 249,481 67%
Source: click on the country’s name on this list:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/rel_isl_pop-religion-islam-population
Once again, Republicans are haters. What a surprise.
nope, sorry.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#religions
you can come up with experts to spin the numbers any way you want, but that doesnt come close to reality.
Religion 2004 Est. % of U.S. % Change
Pop.,
Islam 1,558,068 0.50% 109%
Once again, Leftists are liars and slanderers. And would deliver this country into the hands of any other religion but its foundings, THATS HOW MUCH THEY HATE AMERICA.
Nothing said about the outrageous statement. Notice? Crickets… damn shame.
lomeli
no, i infer being a leftist with being a racist and anti american. you left your spine, like the rest of the leftists and spineless, when you decided that america was more trouble in the world than muslim terrorists. shame on you.
tell me lomeli,
do you advocate opening the “right to marriage” to “everyone’s” definition? it doesnt matter what that definition is… not your business.
If you follow the foaming at the mouth homosexual political lobby that wants to give special rights to a single group, then you are a bigot, sir. and a hater.
martin luther king didnt march and say ” we want civil rights for black people… and hispanics and asians can wait til later.”
Terry,
Dr. Lomeli is right. There is an undercurrent of anger to all your postings, just as there is an undercurrent of humor in all my postings.
You are not like that in real life Terry! You are a fun guy and not someone I would describe as angry all the time.
My guess is that you are overly influenced by Rush Limbaugh’s rantings.
It is OK to disagree with folks Terry. That is the foundation of this blog. We all have unique insights and points of view.
The Republicans just seem to be tearing their hair out right now. It is not pretty to watch.
using pedroza words once again democrats are haters what a surprise . no the surprise would be if art can go one week without better yet a whole day without bashing his party the reps . haaaa he left the party renember to become a dts . but its reps he bashes at a 10 -1 ratio look at all his former stories . its like the dems never have done anything . they have halos over their head . i think art is a closet republican .
I have not seen someone as angry at white people as you in a long time Art.
You dont know what humor is, obviously.
My guess is, the brainwashing of the government media has taken complete hold.
Ignoring racist actions, not addressing the fact that this was an outrageous statement, and deciding whats important to talk about is “something else”, “anything else” only shows our readers you are incapable of even having a discussion on the matter.
Can you say coward. Quit bashing Art. The spin stops with me, remember?
When people like you tear your hair out because their extreme views on marriage or abortion are not the mainstream, it is humorous. Almost everything about you is humorous, actually.
Lighten up!
– Art, you deleted part of this message. on purpose? you are playing with the order of the posts man. i am watching you…
The little blue ones. Hurry!
Terry,
“Once again, Leftists are liars and slanderers. And would deliver this country into the hands of any other religion but its foundings, THATS HOW MUCH THEY HATE AMERICA”.
Do say that the USA should only be your religion and dominate all other Religions? SHAME ON YOU!!
“you left your spine, like the rest of the leftists and spineless, when you decided that america was more trouble in the world than muslim terrorists. shame on you”.
When did all us leftists(LOL) say that.
Anyone left of you is a leftist. Therefore, conservatively, 80% of the USA are leftist.
Right Wing Republican Religous domestic terrorists are also dangerous.
Good thing National Security is keeping tabs on them along with all other terrorists.
Terry,
David has a point! That aside, I do not hate white people. I am whiter than you for crying out loud!
I do take umbrage when angry white people attack Latinos and other minorities needlessly. You bet I will stand up to them!
I repeat:
tell me lomeli,
do you advocate opening the “right to marriage” to “everyone’s” definition? it doesnt matter what that definition is… not your business.
If you follow the foaming at the mouth homosexual political lobby that wants to give special rights to a single group, then you are a bigot, sir. and a hater.
martin luther king didnt march and say ” we want civil rights for black people… and hispanics and asians can wait til later.”
Art,
Just like people will stand up to you when you try to terrorize the minorities in your community?
I am going back to not commenting…
Art has lost his temper again.
Terry,
“do you advocate opening the “right to marriage” to “everyone’s” definition? it doesnt matter what that definition is… not your business”
Whow’s definition are you protecting:
-The Right Wing Religous Republican’s.
-Your God’s.
You say the hell with anyone elses opinion?
Whos business is it:
-The Right Wing Religous Republican Faction’s
-Your God’s.
Martin Luther King’s civil rights fight included, Women, Lesbians, Gay men, Disabled, his fight included all.
You and your political faction wants to exclude rights available to others from single groups – Homosexuals and those not of your religion, are examples.
You qualify as a bigot and a hater as you define it.
I continue to believe that the wisest thing Crowley could do is leave the country. If we’re heading for Socialism, about to experience a “just you wait” terror attack, about to be overrun by married gay people, and other various and sundry apocryphal things that are about to happen, then really, why stay here?
thats right anon get rid of the People with sense and then all you nuts cases can run the country into the ground. “I think not”!
Dr. Medical and Mr.brown and proud, (the two Art’s)get over the race thing and come up with something concrete your not in the 60’s anymore!
LOL
Michelle(miss bigot),
You have a label for Art Pedroza(Mr. brown and proud) and I (Dr. Medical),so I can have a label for you.
I have not brought up race in any of my posts on this thread. I only respond when it is bought up by others, like you, like now.
Why are you fixated on this theme? Art Pedroza has not mentioned race on this thread either. I guess you are the one stuck in the 60’s.
Art Pedroza is white. I believe he has a picture in the archives. Look it up.
Perhaps Art can clear this ridiculous ethnicity question up himself. Art, do you consider yourself white AND/OR hispanic? A glimpse into your birth parent’s ethnic background may be helpful here.
#22,
I was born here, in Los Angeles, to parents who were born and raised in Mexico.
My maternal grandfather was born in Texas and raised in Mexico by his Comanche mother, who left her abusive Spanish rancher husband.
My fathers parents were both of Spanish descent. As was my maternal grandmother.
I am gold that my maternal great grandfather was a Spanish Jew. And supposedly my mom’s ancestors included the dreaded French.
So I guess that is why I am such a guero.