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Where is the outrage???? First Obama MAY Not Release or Relocate all of the people at Gitmo???? He May not Close it down?!?!?!? What to do now, by not closing it down isn’t he guilty of unlawful detention??? Don’t they have a right to a complete and Fair trial???? And now he is going against a Court order and is not releasing the pictures of prisoner abuse! How dare he not release them!!! The ACLU Sued to get that released and won! Wow if this were bush you would be calling him a war criminal, and have him arrested for Contempt of Court…….
Next, Pelosi accused the CIA of Perjury….I think we should have a serious inquiry into this topic, either the EVIL Bush CIA Lied to the most powerful and Saintly woman in the world, and she called them out on it, so they should be investigated and prosecuted! Or the Speaker of the House is little more than a lying opportunist political hack, who would gladly make our country look bad to make her self look good, and she should be impeached for it. Either way I don’t care.
Finally, in all seriousness, I give a Big 2 Thumbs up to the President for not releasing the photos, there is no reason for it and would only give the radical hate America nut jobs more ammo to attack us with…..and Nancy Pelosi has enough on her plate right now! (Sorry I Couldn’t resist).
did you see her today i was laughing my head off she was so out of it, confused , not knowing what to say . she has been caught . now we all need to start to shout DING DONG THE WICH IS DEAD . HOW FUNNY WOULD THAT BE , i dont wish ill on any one , but man this lady comes close .
So, Dick Cheney shows up on the Sunday morning shows, shuts the Democrats, leftists and metrosexuals down and delivers the “real world” memo to Obama and Pelosi.
1. It is NOT in the interests of the safety of the American people to release known terrorists into downtown Kansas City or Boise.
2. The release of harsh interrogation photos is only useful if you want to further embarass the country in the furtherance of your own political ambitions.
3. You dont want to continually remind the American public that you wanted the military to FAIL in Iraq.
4. Interrogation SAVED AMERICAN LIVES.
Memo received, Demoncrats do about faces on photos, terrorists will be held INDEFINITELY since they are too dangerous to let loose, war funding sails through, Pelosi is left with egg on her face and her #2 is sizing up her office.
A good week all in all.
The silence is DEAFANING! Usually by this point, anonster, anon, anon…and the others would be telling me that I am an idiot, and could not be more wrong, and that I am a Crazy right wing fascist and how all of this is Bush’s Fault!
Boys sit back and enjoy the silence, you have earned it.
Democrats just want Dick to keep talking, THIS AIN’T OVER by a long shot.
How about Lawrence Wilkerson’s testimony saying Dick and George TORTURED people BEFORE they had their “legal lackeys” permission and they did it to get POLITICAL COVER for their ILLEGAL and UNNECESSARY DIRTY LITTLE WAR in Iraq. ” Its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the US but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa’ida.”
Wasn’t this worth scrapping ALL our principles for?
Sing it with me: Bush and Cheney,
Rummy and Rice
Try ’em once,
Fry ’em twice.
i was wondering when anoster would get back from the code pink i hate america rally . we really are a bad country in your eyes arent we .
According to Ali Soufan, one of the FBI’s top experts on al Qaeda—a man who personally interrogated a key terrorist suspect and extracted valuable intelligence without the use of extreme measures—the torture techniques employed by the CIA were “wrong, ineffective and an affront to American values,” according to a story in Newsweek. Enough said.
Bigmarkod, sorry if I didn’t jump in to the fray early enough, I was busy with Larry G., trying to find out if ENTITLEMENTS aren’t just for “liberals” anymore (see” taxing Coke and Pepsi”).
As to Nancy Pelosi, what PLANET do you come from where “knowing” about torture is WORSE than the ORDERING and EXECUTION of torture. I think your OUTRAGE is misplaced. That being said, if Pelosi has to be thrown under the bus, so be it. We have BIGGER FISH to FRY.
Remember they HUNG WAR CRIMINALS at Nuremberg, can we do less.
And the leftist propaganda equating Japanese Water Torture, where the victim is forcefully filled with water and then punched in stomach until vomiting or stomach rupturing occurs, with interrogation techniques taught in Basic Training is silly.
It is simply the left trying to “dumb down” the definition of torture until its as meaningless as: rapist (a woman regretting sex the next morning), racist (opposing a black mans socialist policies) and misogynist (not participating in a feminista rally)
Well then Anonster,
I would put liberal LOSERS like you and anon at the front of the line.
The treason for hoping our troops LOST in Iraq and Afghanistan is the true disease in our society that the Sedition Act clearly covers.
Better hide.
Terry,
Afghanistan has been a problem for YEARS. That conflict contributed to the fall of the Soviet Empire (although natural gas has restored the luster to Russia).
What makes you think that the U.S. will prevail where no one else has? That is laughable.
How can you resolve this conflict when the real issue is Pakistan – and until the people of that country stand up to their terrorists there will be no resolution to this – and even worse the bad guys could end up with nukes!
As for Cheney, he is utterly reprehensible. Is the world safer because he and the Neocons insisted on invading Iraq? NO!
Cheney belongs in prison as far as I am concerned.
WOW Terry, the “I am rubber, you are glue” defense. I am impressed.
Never fear, the WHOLE UGLY SORDID TRUTH about the doings of the Bush administration are going to come out. There are allegations that Iraqi CHILDREN were SODOMIZED in front of their parents, I guess we will see then if right-wingers have ANY outrage threshold.
Whether there will be HANGINGS, remains to be seen.
Whats laughable is liberals, leftists and, unfortunately and apparently, people like you, trying to hide your “America sucks and I hope we fail!’ behind “We’re going to lose anyway!”
Lifting the curtain to reveal the festering, pustulent soar of anti-americanism, am I? I smell gangrene Art… better get yourself checked.
And I might agree with you that an INVASION against a sovereign Afghanistan wouldnt work. But that wasnt your argument. You displaced my pointing out that people you mostly agree with have outright said “I hope we fail” with some ethereal “we should have never gone into Afghanistan at all???” what group of folks that can fit into a phone booth do you hang with… because thats about how many people think that!!!
Poor Terry, you really don’t understand the meaning of TRUE patriotism. Maybe this quote from Senator Carl Schurz in 1899 will help you.
“I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves …. too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism:”Our country, right or wrong!” They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of TRUE patriotism: OUR COUNTRY-WHEN RIGHT TO BE KEPT RIGHT; WHEN WRONG TO BE PUT RIGHT”.
You and others making EXCUSES for the CRIMINAL ACTS of the Bush Administration are the ones who are truly “anti-american”.
Terry,
Surely you know that we created the Talibani – and Ronald Reagan armed them?
Back then we called them Mujahadeen.
Watching left wingers ignore the abuse and humiliation of 20 million women … hours of shame.
Listening to people talk about how terrorists are “victims”… hours of nausea.
Watching leftists stream to Iraq to provide themselves as human shields for a dictator… hours of laughter.
Listening to leftists deflecting the behavior of terrorists who truss a familys pre-teen son up like a pig, roast him and place him on the family dinner table by slandering american soldiers… priceless.
Terrorists are not victims, but torture is not the Amreican way, perhaps it works, Stalin and Hitler used it very effectively. Not something our country should do.
Invading a contry where noone attacked us from was down right stupid and Cheney plus some others need to be held accountable for there actions.
Releasing pictures of our agents preforming torture, not smart, but we should not have allowed it in the 1st place.
Protecting all our freedoms from the radical Right and left is truely priceless.
Torture – water boarding, an example- is used by governments and groups exclusively as a method to get information consistant with their agenda.
This conclussion is universively agreed upon by all experts on the subject.
The concern with the Bush administration’s orchestrated use of torture appears to of been for the exact purpose used by others – Justification for an agenda- the Iraq war.
Apposing these actions has nothing to do with being leftist ect.., Rather it is about supporting and defending a Demoracy and the law.
I am a Republican and I appose the type of government that uses torture to obtain false confessions in order to justify an agenda.
I think our leftist friends are missing the pointthis has nothing to do with torure or terror, it has to do with you guys giving a free pass to Obama and Pelosi for the same thing you tried to hang Bush for
Obama and Pelosi are orchestrating torture of individuals to justify a Obama Pelosi agenda ?????
Who are they torturing and for what agenda?
This is the concern with the Bush administration.
What leftist are you talking about. I am not a leftist. Is a leftist anyone that disagrees with the far right?
McCain’s mother spoke on national TV stating that the far right does not speak for Republicans like her. Is she leftist?
29% of individuals polled by the Times identified themselves as Republican. A small % of them are far right. Is everyone else except the small % of republicans that disagree with the Bush administration leftists?
Art, quit bitching to bitch….READ the Article My point is for the part 5 years we have heard that Pelosi Knew nothing about this “Torture” and now either she was lying then, or now or both, or the CIA lied…..and now Obama may not Close Gitmo….Why aren’t you going after him for torture….why not for not closing gitmo…what about releasing the photos! No you all just want to sit around and bitch about BUSH……
P.S. If getting information out of people who want to kill us is our “agenda” sign me up!!!!
The point is that torture was not about getting information out of people who want to kill us. It was to justify the Iraq war.
People like me are offering our opinion just like you do. I take your comments as your opinion. You take my opinion as just bitching. I fail to see your logic on this bitching thing.
Pelosi denies what the CIA stated. I wait to see the truth come out. So what is your point here? She publicaly stated congress was lied to and wants an investigation. You should support this.
Not going after Obama on torture relative to Gitmo is because he has terminated torturing as a USA policy.
Obama’s decision not to release photos is a political strategy to avoid far right agression on this topic. He understands that they will come out as a result of pressure from other sources. He stays out of the argument while having the photos out. He is smart.
Bigmarkod, you and your ilk would LOVE to be able to dump this mess on Pelosi and the democrats, unfortunately it’s too big and TOO DIRTY.
If Nancy Pelosi is Guilty of omission then Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice and the rest of those SCUM BAGS are GUILTY of COMMISSION. Figure it out, you’re making our case, TRY THEM ALL FOR WAR CRIMES!
I agree with Art, Obama doesn’t have to do a thing, this whole ILLEGAL TORTURE SCANDAL is coming out.
You can PRETEND that these atrocities were done to “protect” us but the TRUTH is, that it was done for POLITICAL COVER for the Iraq War, I wonder, HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY THAT?
Looks to me like none of you will admit the following…
Looks like Pelosi knew about the “torture” and said or did nothign about it, ane your guy Obama ran on total disclosure, trials, and closing Gitmo….none of which are happening…..can’t blame any of that on Bush.
Admit to what? No one knows what happened unless maybe through an investigation that Pelosi has called for. Do you support the call for this investigation?
Closing Gitmo relative to torture was Obama’s argument. Interrogation centers are vital to the security of the USA.
Intelligence gathering through means other than torture are supported by every sensible person which includes Obama and the Republican party.
You, others like you and I should pressure Obama on total disclosure and trials relative to torture. Do you have ideas on how to do it?
Mark. Notice how anonster can’t get off my back even when responding to your post on an entirely different story.
Are you suggesting we send Lance to Gitmo to verify if in fact his conduct should have resulted in incarceration rather than a slap on the wrist by the DA’s office simply because he was mayor when he confronted four UCI cops.
Larry stay on topic. Nancy Pelosi is an embarassement to all political parties. Republicans will speak out while Democrats duck and cover.
Sorry I will miss the Mission Viejo Tea Party on Monday
Larry (it never occurred to me that Medicare is SOCIALIZED medicine) Gilbert, you and Bigmarkod want the focus to be Nancy Pelosi’s ONE briefing in 2002 , a briefing by the way, that was itself ILLEGAL as the TORTURE had already BEGUN, rather than the MULTITUDE of ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES COMMITTED by the Bush Administration, and you say the Democrats want to “duck and cover”, that’s some HUTZPA.
I believe we at the Republican party have our share of embarassements and we “duck and cover” too.
We need to clean our house before we criticize our neighbor.
In our homes if a child does something wrong, gets caught and says my brother did it too. We as parents punish both, we do not say OK it is not a problem as both of you did wrong.
This is the argument with the Pelosi issue on torture – Pelosi knew about it so let the bush administration alone. It is a weak and irresponsible argument.
I think there is a missed point in this banter about torture.
If these people were just shot and killed on the battle field, or left with the appropriate local authorities for beheading or hanging, then there would have been no torture in the first place.
And any American lives saved because of the information procured?
Well someone needs to bare the cost.
The point missed and cotinued to be missed is:
Torture is the method of choice to freighten into submission and to obtain false information in order to justify an agenda.
All experts agree torture is not a tool to enforce national security or a method to obtain reliable information.
Yeah cook, the point is that WE did these HEINOUS acts, NOT some BARBARIC TERRORISTS, but us, the GOOD OL’ USA.
Funny, I always tell my kids NOT to judge themselves against the WORST kids in school, but the BEST, I guess Republicans NEVER learned that lesson.
Anonster, you mean “We” as in the GOOD OL’USA, all should be put into jail? Or just the current and past leaders?
How far down the pole? President? Vice President, Speaker of house, Senate pro tempore, etc.
Beginning to sound like President Obama should give a blanket pardon, just to clear things up and save the cost of a trial that would fail to convict anyone of anything.
We in this case I believe is the leadership that directed the actions of using torture to produce a link between terrorism and Iraq. It appears the Past president and vice president were the decision makers.
The issue is now not some past action. No need to take issue with past leaders.
No need to do a blanket pardon. There are only two responsible.
Mark.
I knew that anonster was once in the news.
Yup, he was caught by the defensive end as he ran with the ball playing flag football. You can pull my flag but don’t ever touch me. Don’t even consider tackling me as I might fall down and break a finger nail.
Anonster might consider researching how captured American troops and our allies were tortured by the Japanese in World War II. Or we can simply fast forward to David Pearl who was beheaded but that act doesn’t count in anonster’s criteria.
Or perhaps he should have been in downtown Manhattan on Sept 11th so that he could better understand the fear that everyone who were there on that date had to comprehend.
Did we engage in waterboarding prior to 9-11? I am not sure as I type from a keyboard thousands of miles from home.
Brave Amercian trooops put their lives on the line every day so that paciifst anoster cna appreciate the freedom he enjoys while he continues to rail against the Bush administration.
Yup, anonster is a true patriot.
Larry,
Torture to get the link between terrorism and Iraq in order to justify the war with Iraq has nothing to do with your comments.
Brave troops died fighting in an unnecessary war. Protecting Bush for doing this is being a PATRIOT ???????
Larry, stop whining! You’re angry because I’ve pointed out what a HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. These are your words;
“I am tired of whiners looking for more entitlements.”
“This author was not born with a silver spoon but took responsibility to not be dependent on government assistance.”
This from a man who is receives MEDICARE,which is SOCIALIZED MEDICINE for SENIORS. A GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT program that keeps seniors from being wiped out due to catastrophic illness. Because NO ONE, not even hardworking Larry Gilbert can afford a major medical crisis. The peace of mind that MEDICARE gives Larry and his wife, is just and good and SHOULD be available to ALL AMERICANS. There is one thing you said Larry, that I can agree with;
“If I can do it so can every American.”
Art Lomeli, well said,my friend, well said.
I am a fish out of water in this banter.
The dumbest president ever, tricked the smartest and brightest of the Washington DC crowd? And most of these very same people (smartest and brightest of the Washington DC crowd) are now running and in the current administration , following the same rules and using the same tactics of the prior administration.
I think if there was some kind of trial involving the past president and vice president, they would not be convicted of anything to a possibility of a Censure at the most.
But, a trial in this matter would open all kinds of doors that would most likely lead to impeachments of many in the current administration for their acts and omissions and failure to act.
Even though the current president may escape personal investigation, it would hard to do his job with many of his hand picked people resigning under pressure or going to jail.
A general pardon is looking better all the time.
Cook,
Bush and his vice president did not trick the smartest and brightest. They were the authority. The smartest and brightest had to follow orders.
The smartest and brightest now follow orders form a different authority.
It is like general Patton and general McArthur giving orders and their troops following them.
General Pardons are unnecessary. The past president and vice president are the only ones responsible.
Dr. Lomeli,
Exactly. Look at what Bush and company did to Colin Powell. But of course he got his revenge last year!
Larry, are you taking the position that railing against the Bush administration is UNPATRIOTIC? Funny, I think YOU (and the other right-wingers on this blog) HAVE BEEN RAILING AGAINST the Obama Administration and NO ONE has suggested that YOU are UNPATRIOTIC. HYPOCRISY seems to be YOUR stock and trade!