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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/05/new-2009-sausd-june-december-thread/comment-page-14/#comment-94568</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread is now closed for new postings and participant comments.  If you would like to post comments on this topic, please go to the new live posting thread for SAUSD, here:

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Thank you.</description>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tmare,

Sorry for the slowness.  I&#039;ve requested a new thread for going forward.

Thanks for the suggestions.  Perhaps your lame union could make all those forums that you suggest?

Oh, that&#039;s right.  They don&#039;t even communicate with members consistently.

And just maybe people aren&#039;t posting here b/c they are busy assembling back channel OR are actually on vacation, which is typical in Summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tmare,</p>
<p>Sorry for the slowness.  I&#8217;ve requested a new thread for going forward.</p>
<p>Thanks for the suggestions.  Perhaps your lame union could make all those forums that you suggest?</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right.  They don&#8217;t even communicate with members consistently.</p>
<p>And just maybe people aren&#8217;t posting here b/c they are busy assembling back channel OR are actually on vacation, which is typical in Summer.</p>
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		<title>By: tmare</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 05:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, enough is enough, this site is blowing up again. No wonder there haven&#039;t been any posts lately, it takes 4 minutes to load the current posts. Again, different forums would be best. People have absolutely no patience for anything new, but that doesn&#039;t mean that those in charge shouldn&#039;t have a little patience and understanding of what makes a site good and informative. A few complaints while getting used to a new format shouldn&#039;t be the decision maker. This is completely unusable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, enough is enough, this site is blowing up again. No wonder there haven&#8217;t been any posts lately, it takes 4 minutes to load the current posts. Again, different forums would be best. People have absolutely no patience for anything new, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that those in charge shouldn&#8217;t have a little patience and understanding of what makes a site good and informative. A few complaints while getting used to a new format shouldn&#8217;t be the decision maker. This is completely unusable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Puich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Puich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 20:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane Lenning is running for CA State Supt of Public Instruction 2010.  She has been visiting this page and the page that I made her.  She is answering questions.  Please visit the link below if you have any questions for this candidate.  She wants to fix mismanaged districts.  I intend to continue to write to her about my opinions on education whether it helps or not.  Maybe she will win and she will change everything...who knows?  All we can do is....TRY :)

&lt;a href=&quot;http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/07/dianelenning///&quot; style=&quot;color: #000000; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; text-decoration: underline;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Diane Lenning answers your questions&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane Lenning is running for CA State Supt of Public Instruction 2010.  She has been visiting this page and the page that I made her.  She is answering questions.  Please visit the link below if you have any questions for this candidate.  She wants to fix mismanaged districts.  I intend to continue to write to her about my opinions on education whether it helps or not.  Maybe she will win and she will change everything&#8230;who knows?  All we can do is&#8230;.TRY <img src='http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://orangejuiceblog.com/2009/07/dianelenning///" style="color: #000000; font-size: 15px; font-family: Arial; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Diane Lenning answers your questions</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About post #647

Has anyone else received the same letter and is in the same situation, or similar, to that post&#039;s author?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About post #647</p>
<p>Has anyone else received the same letter and is in the same situation, or similar, to that post&#8217;s author?</p>
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		<title>By: TheOutsider</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOutsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction, post was 658 by Red Vixen</description>
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		<title>By: TheOutsider</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>558. As the director of research and evaluation, Michelle Le Patner, generalized statements about DataDirector (DD) is not enough. How many teachers use Data Director, an expensive software program in its own rite.  How many do not? Is there a control group of which to compare? How do the teachers use it and why does it make “all the difference.” Is their teaching style data directed or test determined. What were achievement levels for their classes before DD and after? Was DD the only variable? How much does this program costs and why is it always summarily approved without discussion?
 
The post 558 was mostly written by Houghton Mifflin. See link. She (Michelle) said fast turnaround makes all the difference. Well, the turnaround isn’t fast, and by the time the teacher gets the results, the test is already forgotten. It strikes this one lone writer that her statements are self serving as it gives Michele and her 8 other staff members something to research and evaluate without which she would be out of a job. 
 
The abundance of tests is a waste of valuable teaching time and used to feed DD. It is counterproductive and should be eliminated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>558. As the director of research and evaluation, Michelle Le Patner, generalized statements about DataDirector (DD) is not enough. How many teachers use Data Director, an expensive software program in its own rite.  How many do not? Is there a control group of which to compare? How do the teachers use it and why does it make “all the difference.” Is their teaching style data directed or test determined. What were achievement levels for their classes before DD and after? Was DD the only variable? How much does this program costs and why is it always summarily approved without discussion?</p>
<p>The post 558 was mostly written by Houghton Mifflin. See link. She (Michelle) said fast turnaround makes all the difference. Well, the turnaround isn’t fast, and by the time the teacher gets the results, the test is already forgotten. It strikes this one lone writer that her statements are self serving as it gives Michele and her 8 other staff members something to research and evaluate without which she would be out of a job. </p>
<p>The abundance of tests is a waste of valuable teaching time and used to feed DD. It is counterproductive and should be eliminated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can take them off ...let&#039;s see if it helps...b r b and I will delete the videos...as well thanks for that.  I think they planned to open a new thread soon anyways.

I am pretty much done posting here unless something earth shattering happens.  I&#039;ve said what I needed to say.  Keep CSR.  I am hoping that other people speak up here.   The ball is in your court...I am just going to sit back and enjoy the show now :)  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can take them off &#8230;let&#8217;s see if it helps&#8230;b r b and I will delete the videos&#8230;as well thanks for that.  I think they planned to open a new thread soon anyways.</p>
<p>I am pretty much done posting here unless something earth shattering happens.  I&#8217;ve said what I needed to say.  Keep CSR.  I am hoping that other people speak up here.   The ball is in your court&#8230;I am just going to sit back and enjoy the show now <img src='http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: TheOutsider</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/05/new-2009-sausd-june-december-thread/comment-page-14/#comment-93753</link>
		<dc:creator>TheOutsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One way to positively impact the speed of the thread is to avoid posting images. They all add up to slow it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One way to positively impact the speed of the thread is to avoid posting images. They all add up to slow it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Patricia O'Neil (patriciaoneil7@aol.com)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patricia O'Neil (patriciaoneil7@aol.com)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here’s yet another idea for how to fund Class Size Reduction at 20:1.  

Professional/Consulting Services and Operating Expenditures are increasing from $18 million (projected) for 08/09 to $30 million for 09/10.  That $12 million dollar difference is more than enough to cover the $6.7 million in CSR money the District expected to receive without even implementing the program plus more than the cost to the District (after CSR funding from the state) to cover the cost of the teachers  needed.  

The District wouldn’t even have to use any of the QEIA money received for students in grades K-3 ($2.3 million) or CSR money for Kinder students ($2.5 million).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s yet another idea for how to fund Class Size Reduction at 20:1.  </p>
<p>Professional/Consulting Services and Operating Expenditures are increasing from $18 million (projected) for 08/09 to $30 million for 09/10.  That $12 million dollar difference is more than enough to cover the $6.7 million in CSR money the District expected to receive without even implementing the program plus more than the cost to the District (after CSR funding from the state) to cover the cost of the teachers  needed.  </p>
<p>The District wouldn’t even have to use any of the QEIA money received for students in grades K-3 ($2.3 million) or CSR money for Kinder students ($2.5 million).</p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Housekeeping alert:  I have had a few complaints about the speed and accessibility of this thread.

Please send me an email or comment directly here if you are having problems.  We will try and address all concerns.  thanks.
rvixen@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Housekeeping alert:  I have had a few complaints about the speed and accessibility of this thread.</p>
<p>Please send me an email or comment directly here if you are having problems.  We will try and address all concerns.  thanks.<br />
<a href="mailto:rvixen@gmail.com">rvixen@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Red Vixen</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2009/05/new-2009-sausd-june-december-thread/comment-page-14/#comment-93714</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Vixen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#555  &amp; #556

This case sounds complicated and unfortunate.  Was the investigation handled by the police or school police or district HR?

Does the teacher have a union attorney involved ( I believe that they would be entitled to do that if it was some kind of criminal investigation)?

What does SAEA say about not getting a resolution for such a long time after the investigations are actually finished?  

I won&#039;t ask how helpful SAEA has been b/c it can devolve into even worse service from them if it is pointed out that the person is dealing with incompetent grievance procedures by the local lackeys.

tmare, a fearful union and a fearful district? Yikes!  Not good!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#555  &#038; #556</p>
<p>This case sounds complicated and unfortunate.  Was the investigation handled by the police or school police or district HR?</p>
<p>Does the teacher have a union attorney involved ( I believe that they would be entitled to do that if it was some kind of criminal investigation)?</p>
<p>What does SAEA say about not getting a resolution for such a long time after the investigations are actually finished?  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t ask how helpful SAEA has been b/c it can devolve into even worse service from them if it is pointed out that the person is dealing with incompetent grievance procedures by the local lackeys.</p>
<p>tmare, a fearful union and a fearful district? Yikes!  Not good!</p>
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