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	<title>Comments on: Prop 8 Study Confirms Minorities As Swing Vote</title>
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		<title>By: Ron St. John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron St. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon,

You&#039;re on to something with respect to business abuses.  Its important for the GOP to clean up its own act and implement some principled commitment to free markets as opposed to the cronyism and welfare for the rich that seems to have infected it lately.

You have me mistaken for someone else if you think I &quot;presided&quot; over anything over the last eight years.  I was against Bush&#039;s No Child Left Behind, energy subsidies, farm subsidies, lack of open bidding on Katrina projects, expansion of prescription drug benefits, the stimulus package -- not much of what has happened lately looks like me presiding over anything.

I&#039;m not sure I get 2xjohn&#039;s reference to Rove or Hitler, but I&#039;m pretty sure I&#039;ve been insulted.  Hitler was a socialist who suspended elections and tried to exterminate minorities.  I&#039;m a capitalist who is brainstorming about how the Republican Party can get more minority votes.  I&#039;m usually pretty well tuned in to irony and sarcasm, but I&#039;m missing something on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re on to something with respect to business abuses.  Its important for the GOP to clean up its own act and implement some principled commitment to free markets as opposed to the cronyism and welfare for the rich that seems to have infected it lately.</p>
<p>You have me mistaken for someone else if you think I &#8220;presided&#8221; over anything over the last eight years.  I was against Bush&#8217;s No Child Left Behind, energy subsidies, farm subsidies, lack of open bidding on Katrina projects, expansion of prescription drug benefits, the stimulus package &#8212; not much of what has happened lately looks like me presiding over anything.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I get 2xjohn&#8217;s reference to Rove or Hitler, but I&#8217;m pretty sure I&#8217;ve been insulted.  Hitler was a socialist who suspended elections and tried to exterminate minorities.  I&#8217;m a capitalist who is brainstorming about how the Republican Party can get more minority votes.  I&#8217;m usually pretty well tuned in to irony and sarcasm, but I&#8217;m missing something on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: duplojohn</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron St. John sums it up perfectly:

&quot;.......There&#039;s still the bigger picture of how the GOP expands into minority demographics&quot;

Karl Rove or Adolf Hitler could&#039;nt have said it better, or with more truth!

The real reason No on 8 lost was poor political management. The supporters viewed it as a lifestyle issue while the oppositon attacked it politically, gathering the money machine religious groups behind it. It was well done, but poor intentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron St. John sums it up perfectly:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;&#8230;.There&#8217;s still the bigger picture of how the GOP expands into minority demographics&#8221;</p>
<p>Karl Rove or Adolf Hitler could&#8217;nt have said it better, or with more truth!</p>
<p>The real reason No on 8 lost was poor political management. The supporters viewed it as a lifestyle issue while the oppositon attacked it politically, gathering the money machine religious groups behind it. It was well done, but poor intentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonyms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, you might want to go back to the GOP and get them to come out against greed and corruption in business. Minorities are not going to believe a word of what you say. After this past 8 years and the financial meltdown that you presided over.

Some in the minority community will go along to gain influence out of greed but nobody thinks that anyone in the GOP has America or its best interests at heart. All they are interested in is making money, manipulating the religious people, and screwing working men and women. So why should minorities believe in anything the GOP says?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, you might want to go back to the GOP and get them to come out against greed and corruption in business. Minorities are not going to believe a word of what you say. After this past 8 years and the financial meltdown that you presided over.</p>
<p>Some in the minority community will go along to gain influence out of greed but nobody thinks that anyone in the GOP has America or its best interests at heart. All they are interested in is making money, manipulating the religious people, and screwing working men and women. So why should minorities believe in anything the GOP says?</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonyms-
                  Very intelligent argument, hats off to you for putting a little good sense out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anonyms-<br />
                  Very intelligent argument, hats off to you for putting a little good sense out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron St. John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron St. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing how much time and money people are willing to spend over how the state uses a word.

But after the marriage issue is behind us there&#039;s still the bigger picture of how the GOP expands into minority demographics.  My preference would be to go to chamber of commerce meetings and find the business people and young people who agree that there&#039;s no such thing as a free lunch and limited government leads to prosperity.  But what do I know?  Maybe somebody will now go to the churches and rant that Dems are pointy-headed elitists who hate the Lord.  It worked in the South.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing how much time and money people are willing to spend over how the state uses a word.</p>
<p>But after the marriage issue is behind us there&#8217;s still the bigger picture of how the GOP expands into minority demographics.  My preference would be to go to chamber of commerce meetings and find the business people and young people who agree that there&#8217;s no such thing as a free lunch and limited government leads to prosperity.  But what do I know?  Maybe somebody will now go to the churches and rant that Dems are pointy-headed elitists who hate the Lord.  It worked in the South.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonyms</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously religious people didn&#039;t look at this as a discrimination issue but as a religious issue. 

I still propose that the solution then is to take the state out of this religious issue. Stop issuing marriage licenses - what good does that do anyway? Its a certificate that allows the government to tax you at a higher rate than single people living together. Stop the marriage tax penalty too. 

Erase all the barriers in the law to unmarried people, all those that give any kind of discriminatory preference to people who have a marriage license. Remove the word marriage from the law books and add a clause to the civil rights act that allows religious people to refuse service to anyone for any reason.

Why do we continue to beat our heads against the wall on issue like this that divide Americans instead of uniting them? Oh I know - it wins elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously religious people didn&#8217;t look at this as a discrimination issue but as a religious issue. </p>
<p>I still propose that the solution then is to take the state out of this religious issue. Stop issuing marriage licenses &#8211; what good does that do anyway? Its a certificate that allows the government to tax you at a higher rate than single people living together. Stop the marriage tax penalty too. </p>
<p>Erase all the barriers in the law to unmarried people, all those that give any kind of discriminatory preference to people who have a marriage license. Remove the word marriage from the law books and add a clause to the civil rights act that allows religious people to refuse service to anyone for any reason.</p>
<p>Why do we continue to beat our heads against the wall on issue like this that divide Americans instead of uniting them? Oh I know &#8211; it wins elections.</p>
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