Comments on: New Mexican consul in Santa Ana turns out to be a snob http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob Orange County's top political blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:09:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: john smith http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-80111 john smith Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:24:34 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-80111 What did the last consul really do for Mexico, US, and the people? The only thing he did was to take bribes, money and help himself. Proof is he does not even hold a job now and left a real mess for the new guy. From his resume this guy has been doing the real deal in real conflict places. No one likes change and no one likes to see their cash cow go. It was time someone cleaned house and focused on the real issues and not work on days where the mexican people came and bribed the consul on visit days. No wonder they are upset. The problem is starts there and there is where the problem needs to be fixed. Looks like he is just starting to do that. js What did the last consul really do for Mexico, US, and the people? The only thing he did was to take bribes, money and help himself. Proof is he does not even hold a job now and left a real mess for the new guy. From his resume this guy has been doing the real deal in real conflict places. No one likes change and no one likes to see their cash cow go. It was time someone cleaned house and focused on the real issues and not work on days where the mexican people came and bribed the consul on visit days. No wonder they are upset. The problem is starts there and there is where the problem needs to be fixed. Looks like he is just starting to do that.
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]]> By: Anonyms http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-78338 Anonyms Sat, 10 Jan 2009 17:20:16 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-78338 #23 Why don't these emigre's take those millions of dollars and form an organization to help themselves? They don't need the government's help if they have those kinds of resources. #23 Why don’t these emigre’s take those millions of dollars and form an organization to help themselves? They don’t need the government’s help if they have those kinds of resources.

]]> By: Santa Ana resident http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-78311 Santa Ana resident Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:03:10 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-78311 The bottom line is that the Mexican government's prority is not to help the thousands of emigres who sent back millions of dollars. They pulled Ortiz Haro out and put in his place a man who has decided not to do the same outreach. While ending Ortiz Haro's diplomatic career, the government supports a man who has treated his employees poorly and alienated immigrants who were finally taking action to improve their community in the United States. Whether we are Mexicans or not, we all lose because these are our neighbors. They have less support and the same problems and the current consul isn't doing what he should to support them. The bottom line is that the Mexican government’s prority is not to help the thousands of emigres who sent back millions of dollars. They pulled Ortiz Haro out and put in his place a man who has decided not to do the same outreach. While ending Ortiz Haro’s diplomatic career, the government supports a man who has treated his employees poorly and alienated immigrants who were finally taking action to improve their community in the United States. Whether we are Mexicans or not, we all lose because these are our neighbors. They have less support and the same problems and the current consul isn’t doing what he should to support them.

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-77037 Benjamin Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:31:28 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-77037 I think we are missing the whole issue between the connection of the two. When the last consulate departed it left a void for a voice of the undocumented people of Santa Ana. Regardless of federal citizenship they are still citizens of our community and have no voice in local politics or protection in local politics. Pulido see's this issue of undocumented citizens of Santa Ana as a federal issue. Other cities like San Francisco view all of its inhabitants as their responsibility. I would like to know how Sarmiento and other local politicians view all its inhabitants and their responsibilities to them. Pulido has already let it be known that he is not their leader, political, cultural or moral. I think we are missing the whole issue between the connection of the two. When the last consulate departed it left a void for a voice of the undocumented people of Santa Ana. Regardless of federal citizenship they are still citizens of our community and have no voice in local politics or protection in local politics. Pulido see’s this issue of undocumented citizens of Santa Ana as a federal issue. Other cities like San Francisco view all of its inhabitants as their responsibility.

I would like to know how Sarmiento and other local politicians view all its inhabitants and their responsibilities to them. Pulido has already let it be known that he is not their leader, political, cultural or moral.

]]> By: Rick http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-77001 Rick Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:14:17 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-77001 "You do realize that a developer allied with Pulido will be building a new project at that terminal?" ...ok “You do realize that a developer allied with Pulido will be building a new project at that terminal?”

…ok

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76999 Anonymous Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:44:26 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76999 Vince isn't "Mexican" enough. He is of Bolivian decent. Vince isn’t “Mexican” enough. He is of Bolivian decent.

]]> By: anon http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76996 anon Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:28:20 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76996 "Sarmiento seems like an elitist to me." Seems? Based on what? Second-hand information from pajaritos with an axe to grind? We already know that you think Sarmiento isn't "mexican" enough to serve the city well, and so your opinion is already highly tainted by your own racial bias. “Sarmiento seems like an elitist to me.”

Seems? Based on what? Second-hand information from pajaritos with an axe to grind?

We already know that you think Sarmiento isn’t “mexican” enough to serve the city well, and so your opinion is already highly tainted by your own racial bias.

]]> By: Sean H. Mill http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76995 Sean H. Mill Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:27:15 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76995 Art, I believe that the council has a good nucleus with Sal, Vince and Claudia. I trust that they will take a much larger role in the direction of the city and I cautiously optimistic that Miguel will turn to these folks for advice and help in directing the city in these trying times. Michele Martinez adds an energy and compassion that is sorely needed and I am confident that everyone can put this past election behind them and work together. We must not allow these folks to lose focus. I have spoken to most of them and I know they are determined to make the tough decisions necessary to get our city back on track. There are some folks that are creating diversions and raising a ruckus with their pathological lies and distortions, however we need to make sure that these shenanigans don't cause the council to lose focus. We must also be willing to offer our support. These are tough times and our elected officials need us to do our part as well. Constantly attacking them without being constructive won't help, nor will the never ending phone calls by the pathological ones telling them lie after lie about commissioners and community members. I believe that we have a good nucleus on the council. Lets help them make the decisions necessary to save Santa Ana. Art,

I believe that the council has a good nucleus with Sal, Vince and Claudia. I trust that they will take a much larger role in the direction of the city and I cautiously optimistic that Miguel will turn to these folks for advice and help in directing the city in these trying times.

Michele Martinez adds an energy and compassion that is sorely needed and I am confident that everyone can put this past election behind them and work together.

We must not allow these folks to lose focus. I have spoken to most of them and I know they are determined to make the tough decisions necessary to get our city back on track.

There are some folks that are creating diversions and raising a ruckus with their pathological lies and distortions, however we need to make sure that these shenanigans don’t cause the council to lose focus.

We must also be willing to offer our support. These are tough times and our elected officials need us to do our part as well. Constantly attacking them without being constructive won’t help, nor will the never ending phone calls by the pathological ones telling them lie after lie about commissioners and community members.

I believe that we have a good nucleus on the council. Lets help them make the decisions necessary to save Santa Ana.

]]> By: CQT96 http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76994 CQT96 Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:26:32 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76994 "He is really focused on making Santa Ana a better place and tackling the serious issues we face." ...so say Mill Well as far as I can tell is that Sarmiento has not "tackled" one single issue. Perhaps you can enlighten us all and educate us on any real issue he has "tackled". There seems to be a general consensus that he is a nice guy and eloquent but then again so was Solorio. What what his legacy other than renaming a park on Fifth street? Luis says Sarmiento is "smart and calculating" and that worries me. Perhaps Sarmiento is positioning himself to be mayor, my question is for what purpose? To enrich himself? Catapult to higher office? Nothing he has done so far indicates he is "working for a better Santa Ana" Sarmineto has literally been handed a chance but has disappointed so far. The only person I see actually trying to better SA is Ms. Martinez, though she isn't as "nice" or "eloquent" as Mr. Sarmiento, her actions put her way in front of the pack to lead SA into a better tomorrow. Both Luis and Sean have been wrong in their positive assessment of one Mr. Tinajero, I hope for the betterment of Santa Ana they are not mistaken on Mr. Sarmiento. “He is really focused on making Santa Ana a better place and tackling the serious issues we face.”

…so say Mill

Well as far as I can tell is that Sarmiento has not “tackled” one single issue. Perhaps you can enlighten us all and educate us on any real issue he has “tackled”.

There seems to be a general consensus that he is a nice guy and eloquent but then again so was Solorio. What what his legacy other than renaming a park on Fifth street?

Luis says Sarmiento is “smart and calculating” and that worries me.
Perhaps Sarmiento is positioning himself to be mayor, my question is for what purpose? To enrich himself? Catapult to higher office? Nothing he has done so far indicates he is “working for a better Santa Ana”

Sarmineto has literally been handed a chance but has disappointed so far. The only person I see actually trying to better SA is Ms. Martinez, though she isn’t as “nice” or “eloquent” as Mr. Sarmiento, her actions put her way in front of the pack to lead SA into a better tomorrow.

Both Luis and Sean have been wrong in their positive assessment of one Mr. Tinajero, I hope for the betterment of Santa Ana they are not mistaken on Mr. Sarmiento.

]]> By: Art Pedroza http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76990 Art Pedroza Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:56:35 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76990 Luis, Let us hope you are right my friend. This city is quickly approaching critical mass. This is why I think Pulido will leave in two years. He cannot be having much fun right now. Have a great Christmas and let's pray that our local leaders will finally start doing what is right for the people of our city. Luis,

Let us hope you are right my friend. This city is quickly approaching critical mass. This is why I think Pulido will leave in two years. He cannot be having much fun right now.

Have a great Christmas and let’s pray that our local leaders will finally start doing what is right for the people of our city.

]]> By: Luis Rodriguez http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76988 Luis Rodriguez Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:54:18 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76988 Art, I dont believe you sre naive enough not to realize that all politicians lie and alter numbers to suit their needs. I am sure you have not met a politician to has been completely honest. Unfortunately, it is just part of life. What matters is what they do when they are in office, not necessarily what they promise. Otherwise, you will be overburden with dissapointments. At the moment, given the current situation of the council, I am not sure Vince can be judged as a bad guy. He does not control the council, and if you want to survive you have to listen to the Godfather whether you like to or not. Vince is smart and calculating, I would expect changes. Art,
I dont believe you sre naive enough not to realize that all politicians lie and alter numbers to suit their needs. I am sure you have not met a politician to has been completely honest. Unfortunately, it is just part of life.
What matters is what they do when they are in office, not necessarily what they promise. Otherwise, you will be overburden with dissapointments.
At the moment, given the current situation of the council, I am not sure Vince can be judged as a bad guy. He does not control the council, and if you want to survive you have to listen to the Godfather whether you like to or not. Vince is smart and calculating, I would expect changes.

]]> By: Art Pedroza http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/12/new-mexican-consul-in-santa-ana-turns-out-to-be-a-snob/comment-page-1/#comment-76984 Art Pedroza Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:42:57 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=15536#comment-76984 Luis, I hope you are right. At the very least he can't be any worse than Pulido. But don't forget that Sarmiento, along with Pulido, lied to the voters this year by claiming that crime is going down in Santa Ana - and incredibly that "Santa Ana is one of the safest cities in Orange County." Honestly Luis, does ANYONE believe that claim? It worries me when politicians lie in order to get elected. Luis,

I hope you are right. At the very least he can’t be any worse than Pulido.

But don’t forget that Sarmiento, along with Pulido, lied to the voters this year by claiming that crime is going down in Santa Ana – and incredibly that “Santa Ana is one of the safest cities in Orange County.”

Honestly Luis, does ANYONE believe that claim? It worries me when politicians lie in order to get elected.

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