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	<title>Comments on: Latest Caper: &#8220;Diana&#8221; Rohrabacher Pesters Sirhan Sirhan&#8230; in Drag?</title>
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		<title>By: Sweetelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sweetelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 06:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy freaking cow, I could never run for elected office.  My levels of toilet paper consumption would be fodder for weeks on end!

Carl, admittedly, Debbie&#039;s water usage did pique my curiosity, and I&#039;d love to hear what she has to say about it, but it IN NO WAY attenuates my support for her as Dana&#039;s replacement.  I don&#039;t believe Vern has any mice in his pocket, but I&#039;ll tell you what, I have mice in my head wondering how such a reckless buffoon like Rohrabacher has remained in office for so long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy freaking cow, I could never run for elected office.  My levels of toilet paper consumption would be fodder for weeks on end!</p>
<p>Carl, admittedly, Debbie&#8217;s water usage did pique my curiosity, and I&#8217;d love to hear what she has to say about it, but it IN NO WAY attenuates my support for her as Dana&#8217;s replacement.  I don&#8217;t believe Vern has any mice in his pocket, but I&#8217;ll tell you what, I have mice in my head wondering how such a reckless buffoon like Rohrabacher has remained in office for so long.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know Art and Sarah and myself all support Debbie; I assume RV would too although I don&#039;t remember for sure her weighing in, and funny thing about Larry and Thomas, they are always sticking up for Republicans but I&#039;ve never heard either of them make a peep in defense of Dana, who seems to be somewhat of an embarrassment to his party.

During the primary Art, Thomas and I interviewed Dana&#039;s GOP challenger St John, to try to help him a little with his challenge to Dana... now he blogs with us.  He has big, legitimate criticisms of Dana and has also criticized Debbie, but really when you listen to him, he is VERY familiar with Dana, but really should learn more about Debbie before he spouts off erroneous GOP talking points about her and gets debunked by a mob as happened a few times in the summer.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Art and Sarah and myself all support Debbie; I assume RV would too although I don&#8217;t remember for sure her weighing in, and funny thing about Larry and Thomas, they are always sticking up for Republicans but I&#8217;ve never heard either of them make a peep in defense of Dana, who seems to be somewhat of an embarrassment to his party.</p>
<p>During the primary Art, Thomas and I interviewed Dana&#8217;s GOP challenger St John, to try to help him a little with his challenge to Dana&#8230; now he blogs with us.  He has big, legitimate criticisms of Dana and has also criticized Debbie, but really when you listen to him, he is VERY familiar with Dana, but really should learn more about Debbie before he spouts off erroneous GOP talking points about her and gets debunked by a mob as happened a few times in the summer.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s Carl&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Overmyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Overmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same article, or investigation at least. I posted the link to her water usage history only, but I think you can get to the main story from that page.

&quot;maybe because we’re mostly pro-Deb here&quot; are there a mice in your pocket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same article, or investigation at least. I posted the link to her water usage history only, but I think you can get to the main story from that page.</p>
<p>&#8220;maybe because we’re mostly pro-Deb here&#8221; are there a mice in your pocket?</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, I’m sure you will post the answer when and if you get one. It will be well off the headlines by then, damage done.&lt;/i&gt;

Tell ya what, whatever response I get, I will make a new post with a new headline.  It&#039;s a fascinating story drag or not.  And I think it&#039;s obvious there was some kind of deceit going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, I’m sure you will post the answer when and if you get one. It will be well off the headlines by then, damage done.</i></p>
<p>Tell ya what, whatever response I get, I will make a new post with a new headline.  It&#8217;s a fascinating story drag or not.  And I think it&#8217;s obvious there was some kind of deceit going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I think of it my interest in defeating Dana did start in &#039;02, when he was such a big cheerleader for the invasion of Iraq, and all the letters I sent to him arguing against it were responded to with the same nonsensical form letters full of Administration propaganda.  Then over the years I started learning a lot more crazy things about him.  He&#039;s really a fascinating wild character who should not be in Congress, but I would love to someday write his unauthorized biography!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I think of it my interest in defeating Dana did start in &#8217;02, when he was such a big cheerleader for the invasion of Iraq, and all the letters I sent to him arguing against it were responded to with the same nonsensical form letters full of Administration propaganda.  Then over the years I started learning a lot more crazy things about him.  He&#8217;s really a fascinating wild character who should not be in Congress, but I would love to someday write his unauthorized biography!</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, 2002, 2004, 2006, we had real nice people running against Dana who had not a snowball&#039;s chance not to mention zero support from the DPOC.  For years lots of people have been trying to get Debbie to run, thinking she&#039;d have the best chance, she finally gave in early this year.  She still is getting next-to-no support from the national Party, but boy, you wanna see grass roots, and excitement crossing party lines, you oughtta come out to our office on Beach Blvd.

Dunno about her water usage.  People were also surprised that she has investments in oil.  I know she hates being pigeonholed as an &quot;environmentalist&quot; as though that is supposed to explain everything she and her husband do.  I haven&#039;t seen the water article yet; is that the same one that inspired Art&#039;s post on Pulido and Pringle?  And he left out Debbie, maybe because we&#039;re mostly pro-Deb here - what a mensch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, 2002, 2004, 2006, we had real nice people running against Dana who had not a snowball&#8217;s chance not to mention zero support from the DPOC.  For years lots of people have been trying to get Debbie to run, thinking she&#8217;d have the best chance, she finally gave in early this year.  She still is getting next-to-no support from the national Party, but boy, you wanna see grass roots, and excitement crossing party lines, you oughtta come out to our office on Beach Blvd.</p>
<p>Dunno about her water usage.  People were also surprised that she has investments in oil.  I know she hates being pigeonholed as an &#8220;environmentalist&#8221; as though that is supposed to explain everything she and her husband do.  I haven&#8217;t seen the water article yet; is that the same one that inspired Art&#8217;s post on Pulido and Pringle?  And he left out Debbie, maybe because we&#8217;re mostly pro-Deb here &#8211; what a mensch!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Overmyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Overmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vern, to be more specific that&#039;s how you remember it. 
Yes, I’m sure you will post the answer when and if you get one. It will be well off the headlines by then, damage done.

Here are the two paragraphs that are pertinent here.:


&lt;blockquote&gt;Reese also criticized Rohrabacher’s visit to Corcoran to see Sirhan in early 2007, saying “We got a letter from Sirhan, who was told a ‘Diana’ was coming to see him,” she recalled. “Sirhan didn’t know it was the congressman because the visitor was presented as a woman.”

Reese said Sirhan was told the person was coming to talk about the atrocious conditions he faces in solitary confinement. “So, of course, he said sure, send this person in.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Somehow I didn’t get the same impression at all. I think Scott was drinking or something when he dreamed it up as some sort of SNL theme and just wrote it down. He’s not at all above that. My humble opinion of his abilities. You simply read Scott’s piece first and were already prejudiced to read it that way. The guards may have simply misunderstood a phone call of written request, or a gate request via phone, the motives of which I have no idea. But the requests would be made prior to visitation, normally. 

I didn’t know that you had Dana in your sights before Debbie Cook was running. That&#039;s not a big surprise. It does seem however that since you have been here, and as long as I have known you, you have been a “Cook-ie”. So making that connection, is I hope, understandable. She does claim to be the “green” candidate so her explanation of her high water usage should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vern, to be more specific that&#8217;s how you remember it.<br />
Yes, I’m sure you will post the answer when and if you get one. It will be well off the headlines by then, damage done.</p>
<p>Here are the two paragraphs that are pertinent here.:</p>
<blockquote><p>Reese also criticized Rohrabacher’s visit to Corcoran to see Sirhan in early 2007, saying “We got a letter from Sirhan, who was told a ‘Diana’ was coming to see him,” she recalled. “Sirhan didn’t know it was the congressman because the visitor was presented as a woman.”</p>
<p>Reese said Sirhan was told the person was coming to talk about the atrocious conditions he faces in solitary confinement. “So, of course, he said sure, send this person in.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Somehow I didn’t get the same impression at all. I think Scott was drinking or something when he dreamed it up as some sort of SNL theme and just wrote it down. He’s not at all above that. My humble opinion of his abilities. You simply read Scott’s piece first and were already prejudiced to read it that way. The guards may have simply misunderstood a phone call of written request, or a gate request via phone, the motives of which I have no idea. But the requests would be made prior to visitation, normally. </p>
<p>I didn’t know that you had Dana in your sights before Debbie Cook was running. That&#8217;s not a big surprise. It does seem however that since you have been here, and as long as I have known you, you have been a “Cook-ie”. So making that connection, is I hope, understandable. She does claim to be the “green” candidate so her explanation of her high water usage should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an exquisitely exculpatory theory from &quot;afar.&quot;  I doubt you&#039;ve been following the career of Dana much, or have an appreciation both his love of theater and and the mordant black humor of he (or his spokespeople or in-the-know guards) presenting this famed torture apologist as someone &quot;concerned with the atrocious conditions of [Sirhan&#039;s] confinement.&quot;  The relevant passages (and I will update if I ever hear back from Koslowski)

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Diana’s’ here for you&lt;/b&gt;

...Reese [Sirhan&#039;s lawyer] also criticized Rohrabacher’s visit to Corcoran to see Sirhan in early 2007, saying “We got a letter from Sirhan, who was told a ‘Diana’ was coming to see him,” she recalled. “Sirhan didn’t know it was the congressman because the visitor was presented as a woman.”

Reese said Sirhan was told the person was coming to talk about the atrocious conditions he faces in solitary confinement. “So, of course, he said sure, send this person in.”

Reese said no one on Sirhan’s legal team was informed of the meeting, and when Rohrabacher arrived with two aides, she claimed he “repeatedly badgered him to admit he did the killing to clear his conscience. The two aides tape recorded the whole thing...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Presented as a woman, Diana, worried about Sirhan&#039;s condition...  I don&#039;t think the Moxley interpretation is farfetched, but there was obviously subterfuge going on either way, and what the hell is our Congressman out doing such goofy things for anyway, and what else is he up to that we won&#039;t find out about for years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an exquisitely exculpatory theory from &#8220;afar.&#8221;  I doubt you&#8217;ve been following the career of Dana much, or have an appreciation both his love of theater and and the mordant black humor of he (or his spokespeople or in-the-know guards) presenting this famed torture apologist as someone &#8220;concerned with the atrocious conditions of [Sirhan's] confinement.&#8221;  The relevant passages (and I will update if I ever hear back from Koslowski)</p>
<p><i><b>Diana’s’ here for you</b></p>
<p>&#8230;Reese [Sirhan's lawyer] also criticized Rohrabacher’s visit to Corcoran to see Sirhan in early 2007, saying “We got a letter from Sirhan, who was told a ‘Diana’ was coming to see him,” she recalled. “Sirhan didn’t know it was the congressman because the visitor was presented as a woman.”</p>
<p>Reese said Sirhan was told the person was coming to talk about the atrocious conditions he faces in solitary confinement. “So, of course, he said sure, send this person in.”</p>
<p>Reese said no one on Sirhan’s legal team was informed of the meeting, and when Rohrabacher arrived with two aides, she claimed he “repeatedly badgered him to admit he did the killing to clear his conscience. The two aides tape recorded the whole thing&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Presented as a woman, Diana, worried about Sirhan&#8217;s condition&#8230;  I don&#8217;t think the Moxley interpretation is farfetched, but there was obviously subterfuge going on either way, and what the hell is our Congressman out doing such goofy things for anyway, and what else is he up to that we won&#8217;t find out about for years?</p>
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		<title>By: observer from afar</title>
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		<dc:creator>observer from afar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no where in any of the original reporting on this story does it state that rohrabacher posed as a female.  clearly what probably actually happened is that someone misheard &quot;dana&quot; as &quot;diana&quot; before the congressman got there.  the oc weekly, etc, spun that simple misunderstanding into the supposed &quot;fact&quot; that the congressman was parading in drag, which certainly did not happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no where in any of the original reporting on this story does it state that rohrabacher posed as a female.  clearly what probably actually happened is that someone misheard &#8220;dana&#8221; as &#8220;diana&#8221; before the congressman got there.  the oc weekly, etc, spun that simple misunderstanding into the supposed &#8220;fact&#8221; that the congressman was parading in drag, which certainly did not happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Vern Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vern Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Carl, every sentence of my post is true.  If you noticed, I have a question mark in my title after &quot;in drag.&quot;  Lots of people, including Moxley and Dave Dayen of Calitics (and Dan from Liberal OC if he actually read the original story) came away with the impression that Dana was dressed in drag.  But it&#039;s true that if you read the story it doesn&#039;t necessarily say that, which is why I have an inquiry in to the author.  [Oh yeah, thanks to &quot;sweetelle,&quot; who works partly as a detective, for pointing out the ambiguity to me.]

We know he got in to see Sirhan by pretending to be &quot;Diana.&quot;  So either he dressed as a woman and showed the guards a fake ID (which is the most fun to think) or else the Corcoran guards were in on the subterfuge, and following the illegal wishes of a Congressman, which is also disturbing (but less fun)

But either way it&#039;s a bizarre story.  This is how our Congressman spends his time?  And we constituents would never have known if it weren&#039;t for the work of Koslowski.

Hm... &quot;all for Debbie Cook, the green queen?&quot; (also known recently as the Anti-Palin)  Not really.  I&#039;ve been a tireless Rohrabacher critic since long before she decided to run.  Remember, this guy has been my Congressman, and hence my problem and my embarrassment, since I moved back to my old hometown in HB in 1997.  Again, every sentence of my post stands whether he actually donned transvestite garb that day or not.  (And I will update when I find out for sure one way or the other...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Carl, every sentence of my post is true.  If you noticed, I have a question mark in my title after &#8220;in drag.&#8221;  Lots of people, including Moxley and Dave Dayen of Calitics (and Dan from Liberal OC if he actually read the original story) came away with the impression that Dana was dressed in drag.  But it&#8217;s true that if you read the story it doesn&#8217;t necessarily say that, which is why I have an inquiry in to the author.  [Oh yeah, thanks to "sweetelle," who works partly as a detective, for pointing out the ambiguity to me.]</p>
<p>We know he got in to see Sirhan by pretending to be &#8220;Diana.&#8221;  So either he dressed as a woman and showed the guards a fake ID (which is the most fun to think) or else the Corcoran guards were in on the subterfuge, and following the illegal wishes of a Congressman, which is also disturbing (but less fun)</p>
<p>But either way it&#8217;s a bizarre story.  This is how our Congressman spends his time?  And we constituents would never have known if it weren&#8217;t for the work of Koslowski.</p>
<p>Hm&#8230; &#8220;all for Debbie Cook, the green queen?&#8221; (also known recently as the Anti-Palin)  Not really.  I&#8217;ve been a tireless Rohrabacher critic since long before she decided to run.  Remember, this guy has been my Congressman, and hence my problem and my embarrassment, since I moved back to my old hometown in HB in 1997.  Again, every sentence of my post stands whether he actually donned transvestite garb that day or not.  (And I will update when I find out for sure one way or the other&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Overmyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Overmyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 00:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Vern, any hit piece on Dana is fair? 
Even when your headline is wrong and your inquiry to the author, you linked, about it, has gone unanswered, you will repeat it anyway. 
Don’t tell me you think Scott Moxley is really godlike either, well you might, but he isn’t remotely devine.

This is exactly what I was referring to in my post yesterday. This builds disrespect and isn’t raising anyone level of trust in what you say.

So then, this is all for your friend Debbie Cook, the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocregister.com/articles/water-usage-conserve-2178135-city-council?appSession=400122261669560&amp;RecordID=&amp;PageID=2&amp;PrevPageID=2&amp;cpipage=1&amp;CPIsortType=desc&amp;CPIorderby=Read_date&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;green queen&lt;/a&gt;&quot;? 
Now we know how she got that title, wasting so much water in the process. 
Her averages are nearly twice the norm for monthly usage. Last month was triple!
I guess it’s not easy being green ;-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Vern, any hit piece on Dana is fair?<br />
Even when your headline is wrong and your inquiry to the author, you linked, about it, has gone unanswered, you will repeat it anyway.<br />
Don’t tell me you think Scott Moxley is really godlike either, well you might, but he isn’t remotely devine.</p>
<p>This is exactly what I was referring to in my post yesterday. This builds disrespect and isn’t raising anyone level of trust in what you say.</p>
<p>So then, this is all for your friend Debbie Cook, the &#8220;<a href="http://www.ocregister.com/articles/water-usage-conserve-2178135-city-council?appSession=400122261669560&#038;RecordID=&#038;PageID=2&#038;PrevPageID=2&#038;cpipage=1&#038;CPIsortType=desc&#038;CPIorderby=Read_date" rel="nofollow">green queen</a>&#8220;?<br />
Now we know how she got that title, wasting so much water in the process.<br />
Her averages are nearly twice the norm for monthly usage. Last month was triple!<br />
I guess it’s not easy being green <img src='http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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