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	<title>Comments on: Solorio claims that it takes 700 gallons of water to make a cheeseburger</title>
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		<title>By: Gary Kephart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Good questions. I doubt it. Perhaps you could discount the water soaking into the ground, because that could be the penalty for not having a perfect system. As far as urination, the cow still drinks the water and processes it, so I don&#039;t think that should be discounted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Good questions. I doubt it. Perhaps you could discount the water soaking into the ground, because that could be the penalty for not having a perfect system. As far as urination, the cow still drinks the water and processes it, so I don&#8217;t think that should be discounted.</p>
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		<title>By: F&#38;E Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator>F&#38;E Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with your numbers, Gary.  But last I checked much of the water used to grow wheat, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. soaks in to replenish aquifers.  And cows urinate a great deal.
Do your numbers take into account the amount of water that is returned to the system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with your numbers, Gary.  But last I checked much of the water used to grow wheat, lettuce, tomatoes, etc. soaks in to replenish aquifers.  And cows urinate a great deal.<br />
Do your numbers take into account the amount of water that is returned to the system?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kephart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you noticed, I said $1 will buy *you* 750 gallons from the water district. That&#039;s the Santa Margarita Water District price, not the price for ranchers.

Here&#039;s some related links:

http://www.scu.edu.au/news/media.php?item_id=1069&amp;action=show_item says it costs 620 gallons

http://www.waterwise.org.uk/ says it costs 634 gallons

http://www.waterfootprint.org/?page=files/productgallery&amp;product=beef
says it takes 464 gallons per quarter pound of beef

So there are a variety of answers out there, but I&#039;m sure these answers are far larger than your initial guess, which I bet was less than 50 gallons.

The reason I&#039;m sticking on this subject is that water is once again becoming a large issue. We need the facts out there so that the public is aware of what&#039;s at stake. The media, including this blog, can help by publishing correct and useful information, which will help them decide on how to vote on such things as water bonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you noticed, I said $1 will buy *you* 750 gallons from the water district. That&#8217;s the Santa Margarita Water District price, not the price for ranchers.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some related links:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scu.edu.au/news/media.php?item_id=1069&#038;action=show_item" rel="nofollow">http://www.scu.edu.au/news/media.php?item_id=1069&#038;action=show_item</a> says it costs 620 gallons</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterwise.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterwise.org.uk/</a> says it costs 634 gallons</p>
<p><a href="http://www.waterfootprint.org/?page=files/productgallery&#038;product=beef" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterfootprint.org/?page=files/productgallery&#038;product=beef</a><br />
says it takes 464 gallons per quarter pound of beef</p>
<p>So there are a variety of answers out there, but I&#8217;m sure these answers are far larger than your initial guess, which I bet was less than 50 gallons.</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m sticking on this subject is that water is once again becoming a large issue. We need the facts out there so that the public is aware of what&#8217;s at stake. The media, including this blog, can help by publishing correct and useful information, which will help them decide on how to vote on such things as water bonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

Farmers pay the least for water.  But dairy farmers and ranchers pay more - unless they are also growing crops.

Even if what you state is true, there are many other costs that go into that burger.  They would include labor, transportation, the vegetables and sauces used in the burger, and the bun.  That is why a good burger will set you back $4 to $8.

I think Solorio&#039;s statement is ridiculous on its face - just like he has been throughout his undistinguished career in the Legislature.

BTW, have the ding-dongs in Sacramento figured out yet that they have to CUT spending to balance the state budget?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>Farmers pay the least for water.  But dairy farmers and ranchers pay more &#8211; unless they are also growing crops.</p>
<p>Even if what you state is true, there are many other costs that go into that burger.  They would include labor, transportation, the vegetables and sauces used in the burger, and the bun.  That is why a good burger will set you back $4 to $8.</p>
<p>I think Solorio&#8217;s statement is ridiculous on its face &#8211; just like he has been throughout his undistinguished career in the Legislature.</p>
<p>BTW, have the ding-dongs in Sacramento figured out yet that they have to CUT spending to balance the state budget?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kephart</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/07/solorio-claims-that-it-takes-700-gallons-to-make-a-cheeseburger/comment-page-1/#comment-63931</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art,

$1 will buy you 750 gallons from the water district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>$1 will buy you 750 gallons from the water district.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary,

I really don&#039;t eat many burgers.  I tend to eat chicken sandwiches more often than burgers.  

That is not the point.  The point is, how in the hell does Solorio maintain all those chins on just plain veggies alone?  He must be eating blocks of cheese!  How much water is THAT wasting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary,</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t eat many burgers.  I tend to eat chicken sandwiches more often than burgers.  </p>
<p>That is not the point.  The point is, how in the hell does Solorio maintain all those chins on just plain veggies alone?  He must be eating blocks of cheese!  How much water is THAT wasting!</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/07/solorio-claims-that-it-takes-700-gallons-to-make-a-cheeseburger/comment-page-1/#comment-63927</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

Let me put this another way.  If what Solorio said was true, how could anyone afford to sell a burger for a buck or two?  That is simply inconceivable.  

We live in a capitalist economy.  People who sell meat and who turn said meat into burgers have to make a profit.  Using up 700 gallons of water to make ONE burger would mean that burger would cost more than Solorio&#039;s hair cuts!  I have a feeling he spends $40 or so every time he trims that pompadour...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>Let me put this another way.  If what Solorio said was true, how could anyone afford to sell a burger for a buck or two?  That is simply inconceivable.  </p>
<p>We live in a capitalist economy.  People who sell meat and who turn said meat into burgers have to make a profit.  Using up 700 gallons of water to make ONE burger would mean that burger would cost more than Solorio&#8217;s hair cuts!  I have a feeling he spends $40 or so every time he trims that pompadour&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kephart</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/07/solorio-claims-that-it-takes-700-gallons-to-make-a-cheeseburger/comment-page-1/#comment-63926</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art, you grabbed onto only one part of the process, the water that the cows drink, and ignored the rest. How do you know that it is the most water intensive part of the process? Again, please find out where the number comes from before you criticize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, you grabbed onto only one part of the process, the water that the cows drink, and ignored the rest. How do you know that it is the most water intensive part of the process? Again, please find out where the number comes from before you criticize it.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

According to Wiki Answers, which I found via Google.com, &quot;Dairy cows that are lactating (producing milk) eat approximately 50 pounds of dry matter per day. Converting this to as fed weight of the feed depends on the moisture content of the feedstuffs used. Assuming 50% moisture it would be approximately 100 pounds of feed that a cow would eat per day. She would also consume roughly 50 gallons of water every day while she is lactating. &quot;

So if they are not lactating they don&#039;t drink as much water.  Solorio was referring to burgers, which are not produced, generally, from dairy cows until they are too old to lactate.

There is NO WAY that the meat found in one burger would have used up 700 gallons of water.  Consider how many burgers you could make from just one cow!  Even the spare parts would make for some tasty sausages and hot dogs.  None of the animal is wasted.

I would bet you that it would take MORE water to grow enough rice and soybeans to fill up Solorio, as oppposed to just feeding him a nice steak dinner.  Solorio does not, by the way, look like he has been dieting.  Somehow he has managed to keep up his manteca quotient even without meat in his diet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>According to Wiki Answers, which I found via Google.com, &#8220;Dairy cows that are lactating (producing milk) eat approximately 50 pounds of dry matter per day. Converting this to as fed weight of the feed depends on the moisture content of the feedstuffs used. Assuming 50% moisture it would be approximately 100 pounds of feed that a cow would eat per day. She would also consume roughly 50 gallons of water every day while she is lactating. &#8221;</p>
<p>So if they are not lactating they don&#8217;t drink as much water.  Solorio was referring to burgers, which are not produced, generally, from dairy cows until they are too old to lactate.</p>
<p>There is NO WAY that the meat found in one burger would have used up 700 gallons of water.  Consider how many burgers you could make from just one cow!  Even the spare parts would make for some tasty sausages and hot dogs.  None of the animal is wasted.</p>
<p>I would bet you that it would take MORE water to grow enough rice and soybeans to fill up Solorio, as oppposed to just feeding him a nice steak dinner.  Solorio does not, by the way, look like he has been dieting.  Somehow he has managed to keep up his manteca quotient even without meat in his diet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art,

Maybe it is time for you to go on a diet.
http://openthefuture.com/cheeseburger_CF.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art,</p>
<p>Maybe it is time for you to go on a diet.<br />
<a href="http://openthefuture.com/cheeseburger_CF.html" rel="nofollow">http://openthefuture.com/cheeseburger_CF.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Kephart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Kephart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just as you can calculate the carbon footprint of a product, so can you calculate the water footprint. When talking about how much water it takes for a hamburger, consider what goes into making a hamburger. We know how much water it takes to grow an acre of wheat and we know how much wheat it take to make a bun. Cows eat about 60 pounds of grain a day. We can estimate how much water it cost to grow that grain. Cows drink 30–50 gallons of water each day. We can also find the water cost for the lettuce, tomato and cheese. Plus, there&#039;s a water cost involved in the processing of the meat. And finally transportation. It takes 94 gallons of water to produce a gallon of crude oil.

Please see the &quot;While Shopping&quot; section of http://www.monolake.org/waterconservation/ for other stats.

So, please, Art, before you start ridiculing some statistic, research it a bit. The answers might surprise you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as you can calculate the carbon footprint of a product, so can you calculate the water footprint. When talking about how much water it takes for a hamburger, consider what goes into making a hamburger. We know how much water it takes to grow an acre of wheat and we know how much wheat it take to make a bun. Cows eat about 60 pounds of grain a day. We can estimate how much water it cost to grow that grain. Cows drink 30–50 gallons of water each day. We can also find the water cost for the lettuce, tomato and cheese. Plus, there&#8217;s a water cost involved in the processing of the meat. And finally transportation. It takes 94 gallons of water to produce a gallon of crude oil.</p>
<p>Please see the &#8220;While Shopping&#8221; section of <a href="http://www.monolake.org/waterconservation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.monolake.org/waterconservation/</a> for other stats.</p>
<p>So, please, Art, before you start ridiculing some statistic, research it a bit. The answers might surprise you.</p>
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