Comments on: Taking Pity on Prop. 98 http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=taking-pity-on-prop-98 Orange County's top political blog Sun, 12 Feb 2012 01:09:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Jonathan Adler http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-58370 Jonathan Adler Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:07:13 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-58370 Thanks again for the posts, Vern & others, and for all your work spreading the word about the true disastrous hidden agenda of Prop. 98. The People spoke on June 3, and it looks like they knew what they were doing, since in almost every county's returns that I've seen the No vote on 98 was nearly identical to the Yes vote on 99, and vice versa. To paraphrase Chevy Chase's running gag about Generalissimo Francisco Franco: This just in: Props. 98 and 90 (of Nov. 2006) are still dead, at least until next year, when we expect them to be revived. Isn't it telling that for all his filibustering on this site, as well as in all his speaking about Prop. 98, I'm sure, Larry Gilbert always ducked any attempt to deny its hidden agenda? Thanks again for the posts, Vern & others, and for all your work spreading the word about the true disastrous hidden agenda of Prop. 98. The People spoke on June 3, and it looks like they knew what they were doing, since in almost every county’s returns that I’ve seen the No vote on 98 was nearly identical to the Yes vote on 99, and vice versa.
To paraphrase Chevy Chase’s running gag about Generalissimo Francisco Franco: This just in: Props. 98 and 90 (of Nov. 2006) are still dead, at least until next year, when we expect them to be revived.
Isn’t it telling that for all his filibustering on this site, as well as in all his speaking about Prop. 98, I’m sure, Larry Gilbert always ducked any attempt to deny its hidden agenda?

]]> By: Larry Gilbert http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57748 Larry Gilbert Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:11:13 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57748 Anon. The grass roots groups are not responsible for the 500 Constitutional Amendments. Probably 99% were drafted and approved by our legislature We have illustrations of two schools of thought which created the federal v.state Constitutions. Madisonian/Hamiltonian v. Jeffersonian. Anon. The grass roots groups are not responsible for the 500 Constitutional Amendments. Probably 99% were drafted and approved by our legislature

We have illustrations of two schools of thought which created the federal v.state Constitutions. Madisonian/Hamiltonian v. Jeffersonian.

]]> By: anonyms http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57743 anonyms Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:49:30 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57743 500 times!?! You gotta love those Propositions! I'll bet if we spent as much effort developing candidates as we spend legislating from the couch with Propositions we might have some representatives who can work together and get some things done. Yeah, right! Unfortunately there are two completely separate ways of viewing the world in this country, Republican and Democrat. I can't understand or accept most of what the Reeps say and they can't understand or accept most of what the Dems say. So it looks hopeless. Gridlock forever, at least that should make the Libertarians happy. It's a start. NOT. 500 times!?! You gotta love those Propositions! I’ll bet if we spent as much effort developing candidates as we spend legislating from the couch with Propositions we might have some representatives who can work together and get some things done. Yeah, right!

Unfortunately there are two completely separate ways of viewing the world in this country, Republican and Democrat. I can’t understand or accept most of what the Reeps say and they can’t understand or accept most of what the Dems say. So it looks hopeless. Gridlock forever, at least that should make the Libertarians happy.

It’s a start. NOT.

]]> By: larry gilbert http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57734 larry gilbert Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:56:48 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57734 Vern, Vern, Vern. Having traveled all over southern California these past few months perhaps I overlooked shairing this with you. Members of our State Legislature have tried for years to deal with this problem beginning with Tom Mc Clintock to the most recent efforts by [D] De La Torre. Unlike the Juice family those elected officials in Sacramento cannot agree on too many issues. We would have preferred that the Legislature fix the obvious flaws in current property rights protection for all owners of private property and avoid all of the time, effort and cost of the Initiative process. While you support Prop 99 there are many of us who oppose that measure which is funded in great part by all of us that live in a city or county when our tax dollars are misued by the League of Cities and Counties whose hired gun lobbyists promote their self-serving agenda. Assembly Member De La Torre's proposed legislation AB887 did include protection for "small business" which he defined as a business with no more than 25FTE's. The federal definition of a small business is under 500 and the state of CA defines a small business as under 100. He also sponsored a Constitutional Amendment ACA-8. It is worth noting that on August 29, 2007 he amended that effort resulting from his being hammered for failing to protect houses of worship. The added language reads.."used exclusively by the owner for religious worship.." Representatives of both parties could not come to terms on either of these proposals which leads us to the "grass roots" efforts being voted on as my fingers hit this keyboard. As you know I attended an all day conference this past Saturday. Our luncheon speaker compared the US Constitution to the California Constitution. While I intend to blog some of the meeting remarks let me give you one nugget. In the past 220 years we amended the US Constitution 27 times. The California Constitution, of which we actually created two, 1849 & again in 1879, has been amended 500 times in the past 120-150 years. Here you go again, Larry. Prop 98 will be yet another Constitutional Amendment. Sadly we have to fix some of the flaws. Vern, Vern, Vern.
Having traveled all over southern California these past few months perhaps I overlooked shairing this with you.

Members of our State Legislature have tried for years to deal with this problem beginning with Tom Mc Clintock to the most recent efforts by [D] De La Torre. Unlike the Juice family those elected officials in Sacramento cannot agree on too many issues. We would have preferred that the Legislature fix the obvious flaws in current property rights protection for all owners of private property and avoid all of the time, effort and cost of the Initiative process. While you support Prop 99 there are many of us who oppose that measure which is funded in great part by all of us that live in a city or county when our tax dollars are misued by the League of Cities and Counties whose hired gun lobbyists promote their self-serving agenda.
Assembly Member De La Torre’s proposed legislation AB887 did include protection for “small business” which he defined as a business with no more than 25FTE’s. The federal definition of a small business is under 500 and the state of CA defines a small business as under 100.

He also sponsored a Constitutional Amendment ACA-8. It is worth noting that on August 29, 2007 he amended that effort resulting from his being hammered for failing to protect houses of worship. The added language reads..”used exclusively by the owner for religious worship..”

Representatives of both parties could not come to terms on either of these proposals which leads us to the “grass roots” efforts being voted on as my fingers hit this keyboard.

As you know I attended an all day conference this past Saturday. Our luncheon speaker compared the US Constitution to the California Constitution. While I intend to blog some of the meeting remarks let me give you one nugget.

In the past 220 years we amended the US Constitution 27 times. The California Constitution, of which we actually created two, 1849 & again in 1879, has been amended 500 times in the past 120-150 years. Here you go again, Larry. Prop 98 will be yet another Constitutional Amendment. Sadly we have to fix some of the flaws.

]]> By: hexodus http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57730 hexodus Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:22:20 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57730 Proposition 98 ultimately invalidates itself and is an attempt by landlords to have the government bail them out of bad purchases during the real estate bubble: http://tinyurl.com/3jfofo Proposition 98 ultimately invalidates itself and is an attempt by landlords to have the government bail them out of bad purchases during the real estate bubble:

http://tinyurl.com/3jfofo

]]> By: Sarah Michelle Spinosa http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57702 Sarah Michelle Spinosa Mon, 02 Jun 2008 08:43:28 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57702 #2 - Not me. Stewie maybe. Oh how I love Stewie! SMS #2 -

Not me. Stewie maybe. Oh how I love Stewie!

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]]> By: Sarah Michelle Spinosa http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/taking-pity-on-prop-98/comment-page-1/#comment-57694 Sarah Michelle Spinosa Mon, 02 Jun 2008 07:02:50 +0000 http://orangejuiceblog.com/?p=6802#comment-57694 No pity! No mercy for the weak! '<i>This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun!</i>' -Stewie Griffin SMS No pity! No mercy for the weak! ‘This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting. This is for fun!‘ -Stewie Griffin

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