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	<title>Comments on: Bustamante&#8217;s sexist remarks demand removal from state commission</title>
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		<title>By: Been there done that</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/bustamantes-sexist-remarks-demand-removal-from-state-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-59444</link>
		<dc:creator>Been there done that</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santa Ana and code of ethics - isn&#039;t that an oxymoron?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santa Ana and code of ethics &#8211; isn&#8217;t that an oxymoron?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/bustamantes-sexist-remarks-demand-removal-from-state-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-59442</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt/Jubal,

And the equally classic Matt/Jubal dodge/retreat defense.  You called me a liar and offered no proof to substantiate that charge.  While I instead offered proof that you have a history of lying to your readers.  

What&#039;s it going to be Matt?  Are you going to fling charges and then duck when I fling them back at you, with proof?  That is rather unmanly of you Matt.

I wonder Matt, I know you think you are Irish, but you appear to be French.  Could you be confused about your heritage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt/Jubal,</p>
<p>And the equally classic Matt/Jubal dodge/retreat defense.  You called me a liar and offered no proof to substantiate that charge.  While I instead offered proof that you have a history of lying to your readers.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s it going to be Matt?  Are you going to fling charges and then duck when I fling them back at you, with proof?  That is rather unmanly of you Matt.</p>
<p>I wonder Matt, I know you think you are Irish, but you appear to be French.  Could you be confused about your heritage?</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/bustamantes-sexist-remarks-demand-removal-from-state-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-59440</link>
		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The classic Art Pedroza deflect-attack-obfuscate defense. Why am I not surprised?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The classic Art Pedroza deflect-attack-obfuscate defense. Why am I not surprised?</p>
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		<title>By: Art Pedroza</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/bustamantes-sexist-remarks-demand-removal-from-state-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-59435</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Pedroza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt/Jubal,

Why do you think they wrote the Code of Ethics in the first place?  It was meant as a muzzle to be placed on commissioners who are bloggers.

As for being dishonest, YOU are the one who used to refer to &quot;Jubal&quot; in the third person even though YOU are &quot;Jubal.&quot;  Thank God the OC Weekly outed you!  The fact that you still refer to yourself as &quot;Jubal&quot; tells us that you are proud of what you did when it fact it was shameful and licentious.  

My readers know that I don&#039;t comment anywhere anonymously.  If I have something to say, I say it.  

I quit as a City Commissioner after my fellow Commissioner and blogger Thomas Gordon was ousted from the EPIC/Gang Commission.  His ouster was unfounded and without justifiable cause.  I quit to signal my disgust with the City Council for their behavior towards Mr. Gordon.  My resignation made it to the AP Wire, which I am told drove the Mayor, Miguel Pulido, absolutely nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt/Jubal,</p>
<p>Why do you think they wrote the Code of Ethics in the first place?  It was meant as a muzzle to be placed on commissioners who are bloggers.</p>
<p>As for being dishonest, YOU are the one who used to refer to &#8220;Jubal&#8221; in the third person even though YOU are &#8220;Jubal.&#8221;  Thank God the OC Weekly outed you!  The fact that you still refer to yourself as &#8220;Jubal&#8221; tells us that you are proud of what you did when it fact it was shameful and licentious.  </p>
<p>My readers know that I don&#8217;t comment anywhere anonymously.  If I have something to say, I say it.  </p>
<p>I quit as a City Commissioner after my fellow Commissioner and blogger Thomas Gordon was ousted from the EPIC/Gang Commission.  His ouster was unfounded and without justifiable cause.  I quit to signal my disgust with the City Council for their behavior towards Mr. Gordon.  My resignation made it to the AP Wire, which I am told drove the Mayor, Miguel Pulido, absolutely nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Michelle Spinosa</title>
		<link>http://www.orangejuiceblog.com/2008/06/bustamantes-sexist-remarks-demand-removal-from-state-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-59422</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Michelle Spinosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lady New -

Well said.

Matt -

Cute. Real cute. I defended you on Red County even though I thought you were exaggerating about how important gender was in this decision. To be clear, I do think it was a factor and I defend your right to say so, but I don&#039;t think it was the &#039;tipping point.&#039; I think it was merely one &#039;&lt;i&gt;trait&lt;/i&gt;&#039; of many that the Supes were looking for.

SMS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lady New -</p>
<p>Well said.</p>
<p>Matt -</p>
<p>Cute. Real cute. I defended you on Red County even though I thought you were exaggerating about how important gender was in this decision. To be clear, I do think it was a factor and I defend your right to say so, but I don&#8217;t think it was the &#8216;tipping point.&#8217; I think it was merely one &#8216;<i>trait</i>&#8216; of many that the Supes were looking for.</p>
<p>SMS</p>
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		<title>By: Jubal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jubal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...of the new City of Santa Ana Code of Ethics for elected and appointed officials, which demands that these officials be honest.&lt;/i&gt;

Good thing you&#039;re no longer a commissioner, Art. You&#039;d be in violation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;of the new City of Santa Ana Code of Ethics for elected and appointed officials, which demands that these officials be honest.</i></p>
<p>Good thing you&#8217;re no longer a commissioner, Art. You&#8217;d be in violation!</p>
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		<title>By: bbird</title>
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		<dc:creator>bbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at least a waterbra would have been a nice change from the strap on treatment ream and walters use on the council.

These guys  demand raises and head for coto and anaheim hills, least a waterbra woulda left  the council less sore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at least a waterbra would have been a nice change from the strap on treatment ream and walters use on the council.</p>
<p>These guys  demand raises and head for coto and anaheim hills, least a waterbra woulda left  the council less sore.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady New to OC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady New to OC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 19:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(If this posting has bad spelling, I apologize in advance -- dictionary still packed, and I don&#039;t know if this system contains spell-check.)

Although I called Bustamante&#039;s remarks offensive and he a &quot;Whiney White Guy&quot; (complaining that he is losing opportunity whenever some previously oppressed minority gets a step up), I don&#039;t think it warrents removal from his position.  A strong slap on the hand, maybe, and he&#039;s apparently getting that now, and perhaps a few lessons on history &amp; sociology. 

If he had made these remarks about or to an employee under his supervision, there should be some more serious reprocusions.  But that is more about POWER.

By considering taking such strong action as job removal, simply for a thoughtless and stupid remark, gives fodder to the poster who claimed that &quot;Feminism&quot; is the direct opposite of &quot;Misogyny.&quot;  Now THAT is an offensive remark!  Having lived through and worked for the rise of the feminist movement in the 70&#039;s, I can assure you guys out there that we do not hate men.  We just want you to let us in the door and have as good a chance in life.  Like maybe being Sheriff after working decades in law enforcement.  Okay?  So let&#039;s just lighten up and cause no further harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(If this posting has bad spelling, I apologize in advance &#8212; dictionary still packed, and I don&#8217;t know if this system contains spell-check.)</p>
<p>Although I called Bustamante&#8217;s remarks offensive and he a &#8220;Whiney White Guy&#8221; (complaining that he is losing opportunity whenever some previously oppressed minority gets a step up), I don&#8217;t think it warrents removal from his position.  A strong slap on the hand, maybe, and he&#8217;s apparently getting that now, and perhaps a few lessons on history &amp; sociology. </p>
<p>If he had made these remarks about or to an employee under his supervision, there should be some more serious reprocusions.  But that is more about POWER.</p>
<p>By considering taking such strong action as job removal, simply for a thoughtless and stupid remark, gives fodder to the poster who claimed that &#8220;Feminism&#8221; is the direct opposite of &#8220;Misogyny.&#8221;  Now THAT is an offensive remark!  Having lived through and worked for the rise of the feminist movement in the 70&#8242;s, I can assure you guys out there that we do not hate men.  We just want you to let us in the door and have as good a chance in life.  Like maybe being Sheriff after working decades in law enforcement.  Okay?  So let&#8217;s just lighten up and cause no further harm.</p>
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